US / World Economy in Trouble

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Administrator, Feb 20, 2008.

  1. Mermaid

    Mermaid ~Sea Of Green~

    Clay I too always hear that and it makes sense but then it is what made us the biggest strongest country because we did help out other's in need. LOL and now they are too broke to pay us back except for maybe Russia who is getting stronger and has money...hhaa


    As for taxing churches......good point but I do not think that bothers me nearly as much as people who get income tax when they frigging do not pay in??? Hello>>what is up with that?? I know many on welfare who get the earned income credit for kiddies and yep they get up to 5 to 6000 back and never even paid in one dime?? Have no problem with people on welfare who need it and do want to work as yes some have have lost jobs or hardships but shit.....why don't they at least make them work some of the money off??? Have a daycare in these state welfare programs, teach them some sort of trade or educate them to find a better job but make them work as well to at least pay back while they are on it. For instance, they could make things to sell which would be made in the USA such as factory work. Sorry but I seen way too many with fancy cell phones with NO intention of getting off welfare and they know how to work the system (not all but omg at least 75 percent) and get their nails done professionally which is sorry pisses me off. You have the workers in this world who work their ass off, never get things free or a break and then you have those who abuse the system such as welfare or inmates who get a college education>>another thing that makes me grrrrr. DC is corrupt and so are some Americans as well and people like that just make me shake my head. Sad thing is people who truly need it are turned down at times because they are too honest to know how to work the system to get it. Then you have the tax exemption for immigrants?? Why do we let them have a free ride for what is it like 7 years when all they do is turn around and put the bizzness in another family member's name so it keeps going on and on. If you or I opened up any buissiness>>>we will pay out the nose...go figure!!! I am all for people coming here to live the American Dream but pay like we do and keep it real. No free rides unless we get them too. How many gas stations, duncan dougnuts, Burger Kings and the list goes on are owned anymore by an American?? Not many....how sad is that?? This is a huge problem because our government has let this go on and on and guess who pays? We do, and on top of it we lose jobs that are sent over seas at cheaper rates. How many of you can name at least 10 things made in the USA besides food??? I want to see more things made here so we can put money back into the pockets of our people, and also see a logo >>>made in america!!! Sorry but it really bugs me for not only do most things say made in china which btw how many toys and even toothpaste has been recalled due to some sort of chemical?? My gawd....if any of us sold one thing here it has to pass every test and regulation but we let them sell us anything with NO one checking on what it is being made of.


    Lots of things wrong......too many to name. ;)


    Singing>>>it's the end of this world as we know it!! :)


    May as well adapt is all we can do.....not like it will get better anytime soon but I do think we will climb back up for history has shown us that?? One can only think positive :)
     
  2. brand

    brand Begun Flowering

    Clay I doubt if you added all the money still owed us that would come close to 10 trillion, not including trillions more after Iraq, all the bailouts and the every year now 500billion deficit that we spend every year in our non balanced budget now.


    Though I do remember Clinton loaning Russia 80 billion to help them out after the fall of communism. Not to mention mexico got 30 billion a few years ago to boost them up. This is just a start to the money I would imagine.


    The US comptroller said by 2040 on this road, the US will barely be able to pay the interest alone, leaving very little for any social programs, roads, police, you name it. Thats 32 years away, but hell that would be rock bottom. Means things will continue to go down hill in this country until we get ta payin this debt off. Programs must be cut dramatically, including the beloved NASA. But not one politician even mentions the national debt. The people never bring it up.(but I can see why when no one is keeping up with their own debt problems) All other issues should be put to the back burner except alternative energy, and an answer to healthcare. We must work with other nations rather than working against so many. Do what we can to right some of the wrongs!!! If americans continue to pay attention and they know we are, I think there is still a chance. But problem is no one is even talking about it. :5headache: :5headache: :5headache: :5headache:
     
  3. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    Much of our food comes from Mexico now......go figure. :icon_confused:


    I do know of one thing still made here.......STEALTHSTASH stash boxes. :beerchug:


    Yup.....it's the end as we know it....for sure. :eusa_shifty:


    Brand...the first thing that they could do away with is this damn war on drugs. How much money has been wasted in that war? :stop:
     
  4. "The Master"

    "The Master" Time Lord

    People study history, but from that? I can see We are doomed to repeat it. We are living in the last days of "our," Rome. We are fat, stupid, decadent, weak, lazy and unwilling any longer as a group to defend what we have. The Mongrel horde is at the gates. We're SO going down.


    I would be SO glad to be wrong. I've got little kids.


    Enjoy each god day.
     
  5. ClayStreet

    ClayStreet Gypsy

    yea I suppose hearing that myth (if all the other nations paid us back) when I was younger was more likely true given that the debt wasn't so bad back in the day.. Or maybe it was. Truth is if anybody has all the answers they're most likely up top making things happen and not just passing myths on the streets.


    We can all pass the blame on to everyone else. I sit here and blame rich people, the rich people blame each other or us, and politicians blame whatever.. Everyone gets somewhere by someone giving them something. We created people in this country to be controlling, greedy, and evil. Even if it's human nature for us to destroy ourselves, it doesn't help when all the resources are available to make it happen. If we would have taken corrupt politicians out of the loop hundreds of years ago, regulated wealth, whatever else then the world would be different. But it's not. Grab a seat folks and watch the unfolding, America was a great ride for a while and now it's just another Soviet Union. They lost their money racing for nuclear weapons, we just lost our money to greedy corporations and politicians. Time to pack our bags and sneak across the border to Mexico. Hell I hear it costs over $200 to get a passport to go to Mexico now. It's funny that we'll soon have illegals going both ways.. Mexicans coming in and Americans going out. :lmao:


    at least I still have my stashbox. Probably the last craftsmanship I ever got made in america by an american. ;)
     
  6. brand

    brand Begun Flowering

    You know that is not going to happen. :5headache: :5headache: Herb I assume you mean the war on pot? or drugs period?:icon_confused:
     
  7. brand

    brand Begun Flowering

    Nice post Master, the comparisons are very real! I read where a economist said that we are about where the soviet union was about a year before its collapse. They went broke and now we are. I got little kids too and it does suck to think about. Actually for me and them, cause hell I don't wish for my way of life to go way down either. But least I had it good for almost 2 score, something to be thankful for. :)
     
  8. brand

    brand Begun Flowering

    http://zfacts.com/p/461.html


    take a look..a good graph of the debt problem under particular presidents.


    Trickle down economics does not work!!!! But Mcain still thinks it does. Just another reason for an Obama vote. Just hope he gets it(the idea) like I think he does.:eusa_dance: :eusa_dance:


    Also if you notice, only during republican presidents was the national deficit raised. Now that don't make any sense. I always thought that democrats spent all the money and Republicans saved. HA HA HA !!!! Let the truth be known.
     
  9. Randy High

    Randy High Organic Alumni

    The USA has replaced manufacturing with finance as it's main industry.


    That is the problem.


    Add to that, that the USA is at the same time expanding it's imperialist interests around the world as if it was an expanding economic force and you see why international money being invested in the USA is the top priority of the Government.


    If I were your friend and kept borrowing money from you and other friends how long would we be friends?


    Same goes for the banks we just bought into. By investing 250 billion we are trying to get the banks to play together again.


    It's a shame that the only investor left is the tax payer.


    Obama is correct we need jobs not bailouts.


    Like my Sig says Socialism is too good for the poor in the USA.
     
  10. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    Down down down we go....again.


    Rally? What rally? :suave:


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    Dow plunges 733 as new data points to recession

     
  11. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

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    Bernanke says U.S. economy facing big threat

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    Markets tumble as recession fears trump bailout

     
  12. Randy High

    Randy High Organic Alumni

    Perhaps what we perceive is less than we relate?


    Dono stone on 2006 again myself; how about you?


    VOTE OBAMA !!!


    Think about it !!!
     
  13. Mermaid

    Mermaid ~Sea Of Green~

    Randy sorry but a vote for Obama is like voting for Jimmy Carter and what happened back in the 70's??


    He is not the answer no more then McCain but I respect you if that is who your rooting for. I am a realist and know that neither one of these candidates are in the tank for the American's or will they help us in any way, shape or form. Sure they will preach to you what you wish to hear but our country is in a bad bad way.....not gonna get better anytime soon either. ;) I say we need to clean house and get rid of this 2 party system which only support the government and to take our nation into becoming a country of socialism. Do you really want the government in your lives more then then they are already Only way I see out of all this is a Revolution because the Americans need to let them know this is OUR country, not their country or corporate America.


    This whole election is a joke for both Obama and McCain voted pretty much the same if you check their stats on vote smart.com except for maybe a couple areas. In other words, they are on the same side and I think both parties are united more then we know.


    We need to wake up and smell the coffee brewing which btw you would never want to drink.....this is a NO win situation no matter who gets in.


    Both lie as this is politics and both work for whom? ;)


    Peace~mermaid
     
  14. brand

    brand Begun Flowering

    The biggest difference I can see between these two other than their color, is probably 30-35 points on the IQ scale.
     
  15. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    More bad news......


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    U.S. reports grim data, EU vows to shield economy

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    Dow drops another 275 on price, manufacturing news

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    Citigroup posts 4th straight loss on write-downs

     
  16. Randy High

    Randy High Organic Alumni

  17. Mermaid

    Mermaid ~Sea Of Green~

    He is closer to socialism which sorry I am against. Randy do you want the government in your face more then they are?? Both parties are the same even though they pretend to be different. Americans really have to wake up and vote for neither!! Otherwise we are doomed!


    Kinda hard to find jobs for anyone when every place is going belly up and closing. They promise so much Randy but neither candidate will deliver anything. Look at our economy....we are in a recession NOW. No one is buying or selling houses, no one will get credit unless they are employed with no bad credit history, stores among many places are cutting jobs. For instance my bank has very little tellers even working. If no one can buy houses or cars then no one will sell or build them. Just not looking good anyway you look at it and usually I am the most positive person but one has to be realistic. Also Obama is being investigated by the FBI for the ACORN and voter fraud. McCain is shady too.....they ALL are!!!


    Wish the Americans would rally together to clean house>>>all of them and start over!!!


    Singing one more time....


    It is the end of the world as we know it......
     
  18. nikoatnight

    nikoatnight Full Flowering

  19. Randy High

    Randy High Organic Alumni

    I hate Bush too.
     
  20. snickelfritz

    snickelfritz Weed College Hall Monitor

    As it stands right now, the only "bush" I like is...


    1. Our beloved Mary Jane



    2. Has a leg on each side of it.
    :)


    Not necessarily in that particular order. :suave:
     

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