I was figuring from the very hard bud structure that might give me the extra weight. Oh well though I get what I get. I do a final weigh in and a strain review when its all jarred up. Edit: And no, they get hung without touching each other in a dark closet around 70F with 35-40 RH.
Uh, had a leak from one of the back buckets yesterday morning when I woke up, luckily just a small leak and I was changing out the water anyway, feeding day. So I just put this girls on their 5th week of flower nutes, it seems their gonna take forever! Maybe all the stress from SCROG'ing them during flower, I dunno, don't really care, they'll fill out. That tent sure does smell good. On the seedling side of things, they aren't looking to good. I burnt them with 50% week 1 nutes, and I didn't check the PH, which is now probably extremely low, since I now how it works in my control buckets at feed time. I'm off to work now, thought I'd update yall on week 5, but I'm gonna need some advice on what to do with these seedlings. I'll just make a video and post it up, I'm out the door for work.
Week 5? Wow, looks like week 3. Don't see your seedlings. how far along are they? They don't need nutes for a couple weeks of growing and you have a few sets of leaves. They'll let you know when to feed them. Hope they survive.
You need to trim a little under that canopy...you can probably can get the leaves and bud sites off under the netting because the buds will be nothing but fluff that you won't even want to trim, and the fan leaves are going to go yellow and drop off so it's better to take them now while you still can get them so they don't rot in the back of your tent Looking good, post pix of the other plants if possible. Ph and nute burn are two different issues, pix would be the easiest to say what it is. Flush either way
Is this the proper way to have the reflector on an air cool tube or should the reflector touch the glass?
Okay good, yall are online. I'll just make the vid now. Got about an hour before I need to leave now.
no clue about the light...seems like the wings should be more of an angle to reflect the light. What watt is that light also, make sure you don't bake them under the light...it's pretty close to them seedlings unless it's a 400 or CFL. I'd flush with Ph water today (now if possible). You want to wait until the start to nitro out before the feed, usually when the small round leaves start to show it first. Seedlings are fine for two weeks usually with no nutes after they sprout. It does look like nute burn on a couple of them, but with those leaves you may have your light to close also. It's one thing to have the light on top of flowering plants, it's totally different when they are babies. Flush and post height and wattage of light
Is this a bad thing? - I flushed out the hempy buckets with 1/2 gallon of just PH'd R.O. water and raised the light to about 16"-18", and I'm running them under a 400W MH. They were seeded under a 250W CFL. - I think the plants look like their at week 2-3 because all the stressed I put them under in flower, I basically did the entire SCROG the 2nd week of flower, cut a shit ton of fan leaves off to open up new bud sites, and by doing that I think I tripled my head count, most in the tent are 8-10 week strains, so I think they'll finish out around 12 weeks, which is cool for me, I want the biggest and best quality buds. Plus I did what Nippie told me to and cleaned up underneath the SCROG today. I basically cut all old rotting leaves, and shoots that never will have a chance to get sufficient light. I'll post up some pics with the before and after shot of the under-SCROG clean up in a bit.
keep your light at that height for a minute and let them grow to your light at this point wait a day or two and see how they respond. They may look worse for a minute but prob will pull out ok. Yea your others don't look like week 5, cleaning them up shouldn't do put them behind like that. Either not enough light for the plants (two high or to much plant) or they took longer than expected to start to flower (can happen if grown from seed and not enough veg to go to maturity). See what everyone else says on this one and go from there. I think you may want to start feeding week three again and add two weeks to your calendar
What Nippie said about the flowering girls. I'd guess it's a combination of training stress, being from seed, and not being perfectly dialed in with the DWC yet. Each one alone probably wouldn't stunt em 2 weeks, but all three together probably would. I know there's a lot of talk of training and whatnot on the forum right now, but my vote has always been to train hard in veg where you have plenty of time to let them recover from the stunting, then don't touch em a bit in flower. Seriously... like don't even touch the buds or healthy parts of the plant - just pull dead undergrowth. Even moving their positions in relation to the light in flowering slows them down. That was what worked best for me, but it may not work as well for you. As for the hempy, I almost always let my girls get nearly rootbound inside solo cups before I transplanted to 5 gals. It speeds them up quite a bit. Your girls are still too small to be under HID lighting IMO... I'd have probably given them another week under the CFL. In any case, what's done is done. For the moment they're probably not that happy because I'd doubt the roots are even to the reservoir yet. They'll get worse before they get better, and they'll need lighter than usual nutes once they do hit (you're feeding on a chronological schedule but they won't be actually taking nutes up for a chunk of that, putting you behind where a chart would say you'd be). The wicking action of the perlite'll make sure they don't dry out completely, but they're just running on what they have stored in their leaves right now, which is why they're yellowing. That's my guess, anyway. I only ran hempy for about 9 months though, so if anyone with more experience has other votes I'd listen to them. Grats on your cheese harvest. Looks smaller than what you guessed, but it certainly looks like high quality bud. Good for you! edit: regarding the wings on the reflector - you can adjust however you see fit, but once they get taller you shouldn't even need the wings. The plants will grow higher around the outside by a small margin creating a stadium effect. However, if you want to fix it, it doesn't really matter how close to the glass the wings are but how they line up with the internal reflector. You want the tops of the wings to start at or above the internal reflectors so you're not wasting lumens shooting light out the sides. Give it a look-see and you'll see what I mean. The added half inch light has to travel to hit the reflector before going down has minimal impact... Then again, the stuff shooting out the sides does too, but it's more of an impact than a half inch worth of diminishing intensity under the inverse square rule.
Okay, well just let me know how I need to handle my nutes from the 4x4 please!!! Anyone else chime in? Probably was because they weren't ready for flower before I flipped them. I mean it doesn't really matter does it? Doesn't bother me to wait 2-3 more weeks to harvest. I did the final jar, trim and weigh in of the Auto Cheese, and YES I HIT MY GOAL!!!! 35 grams on the dot. Let the haters hate. /monthly_2012_11/57a6ca76254d1_CheeseHarvestPic.jpg.db43fa62fdbda1d9c782b81f058595e3.jpg
First, thank you for taking the time for the great response. Yes, I agree with Nippie. Take them back to week 3 nutes and stop messing with them? I read all the research on SCROG, and it all says to do it in veg, but I did mine more of a management tool, dunno, thought I was good since it was so early in flowering, guess I learned for next time. As for the small plants, they were 100% rooted in the 16 oz party cups before going into the 5 gallon buckets, I think the mixuture of nute'ing to soon, and not letting them root to the 5 gallon bucket before inducing nutes. Hopefully they recover nicely. I flushed them all with PH'd adjusted R.O. water earlier today, and raised the light a bit. About the reflector, I think your exactly right, and that's what I was previously thinking, like why have a gap between the internal reflector and waste light? xD It's just so damn hard to adjust those reflectors. Do you think I can remove the reflector in my flower tent at this point since the stadium affect you were talking about has already begun? I'll adjust the reflector in the veg tent in the A.M. - Thanks about the Cheese, hey I hit my goal. I wanted 1 oz, I got 35 grams! xD Super stinky, potent, and insanly sticky. It has a very fruity smell, great taste on the exhale.
First off you dont need solo cups. I never use them its a waste of time as all you have to do is water around them everyday till the roots go down. I always use 6 inch pots and they do fine. I sex in the 6 inch pots. If your doing clones and know the sex you dont even have to pot em if your useing jiffys just put them in the final containers and water around them till the roots go down. ON the light raise them up they are babies and wont take the heat. Let em get going awhile so there is enough leaf going. Ya bend those reflectors down or up to get the right light pattern on the plants. If you are past them adjust so they cover the plants and not go over. Try it and you will see what I mean. As for adjusting the light ya can get close with the tubes on full grown plants but ya gotta have a LOTTA SUCK ON THE EXHAUST. I run within two inches of the tops on most crops but I suck with 1860cfm. If yOU SEE ANY HEAT STRESS or signs there you must raise them till the canopy is cooler. t6
As far as your nutes i don't what your asking. From nutes for hempy just like soil/soiless make up your nutes in a 5 gallon bucket (what ever is easiest for ya) let it bubble for a minute (at least a couple hours) ph down to 5.8 let it bubble some more to make sure your ph is 5.8 feed the plant T those are some monsters....I would hate to trim at your place:5eek:
I like what T6 said. During flowering, If your lights stay cold, the actual glass cold to touch, then even at 2-3 inches above will be fine, sometimes even touching the glass, is alright. So if you have a good fan, that can keep the light's cold to touch, that would be perfect. If its good for you hand, then its good for the plant. More light, better penetration, more bud. HPS light, low on seedling is not good, I recomend 3ft above for 600w+ HPS.
Well now you know...Veg with lights up high enough not to burn them and low enough not to stretch them. Just keep the tops within the "zone" and they'll grow just fine. Your flowering ones... Go back and repeat week 3 and continue from there. Tieing the tops down during the first couple weeks of flower should NOT interupt the weekly growth. Something is going on. Get yourself dailed in on your strain before you start a "new" system. They all work better when you already know what your plants will do. If it's a system your already familiar with, then a new strain won't make much of a difference since you know what to expect from the system. Check ALL your variables: lights, air exchange, nutes (good or bad measuring of), ph, "user" error. All could be the culprit of setting them back. When going from seed, you MUST let them mature before they can flower. It's like expecting a little girl to be as mature and ready for sex as an adult. It ain't gonna happen. (and SHOULDN'T). Let them mature before switching. Chaz, I get on you alot, but you act like you know everything and just plow straight ahead without seeing the consequences of your actions. Slow your roll and ask about things BEFORE you jump in over your head. Oh yeah, and LISTEN and FOLLOW the advice given to you. People here, including me, WANT you to have success. But we can only do so much. If we were haters, we wouldn't see your responses or give a shit. And by setting your plants back, it may not bother you, but it bothers your plants. You are doing damage to them so that they will not produce or become as nice as they "normally" should. The only time should you force them to flower before their time is on a long growing Sativa and that is only to control the height as that also "damages" the plant and will actually veg for a while as it tries to mature, even under 12/12.
thanks for the advice t6! much appreciated! Thanks for the adivce, the haters gonna hate thing was about you guys not thinking i was getting an OZ off my Cheese, so simmer down. I'll put them back to week 3 nutes, and then go from there, I can't put my light any lower in the flower tent, as the light won't hit the entire canopy. I'm thinking about throwing my 240W LED in there as supplimental lighting. And if you have been reading along I have taken every single piece of advice given and put in it to action, so can you please jump off that shit about how I don't listen, it's very aggravating... So, by putting those into flower to soon, will that affect the final harvest, or just make them take longer to finish out? Yup got it now nippie, thanks. How long do you think I should wait again until giving nutes? After all signs of stress and burn are gone would be my guess? I wish my fan was strong enough brother to keep the glass cold. It's blazing hott. Dropping the light that low would prevent the light from hitting my entire canopy, so I've been keeping it at 18", which is what those grow room calculators tell you to do. And I'm vegging with a 400W MH
