Trayvon Martin - Zimmerman Trail

TheApprentice · Jul 14, 2013

Fair enough,we both see it from different perspectives. I dont believe Zimmerman was racist nor intent on killing anyone. Hes as guilty as making bad choices as TM is and the moral of the story would be two wrongs dont make a right. I dont live there so dont know the terrain as well as you. Im happy Zimmerman wasnt charged with Murder cos that would be harsh. He got caught up in a moment and couldnt get out of it.It happens.Sometimes it results in some sore jaws,other times it results in a person being dead. But from the outside looking in it seems as if theres SOME liability there,he cant be totally within his rights in ALL that he did.But no he didnt merit murder IMHO. Manslaughter possibly. Murder gets thrown at every death not by natural causes nowadays.

Theres culpability on both people at different points i admit. But Zimmerman was culpable FIRST. Thats the cruz of my argument. HE insitgated the events that led to the death of someone. The fact TMs not here to defend any of this means we go on the evidence.The evidence,and the direction from the Judge,suggest Acquittal was the only real option. Shit happens.Zimmermans gonna be looking over his shoulder for a time and he'll have his own issues to deal with. No one walks away from shit lke this scot-free. Its a sad story:jj:

I'd only really shoot someone who COULD possibly shoot me though,i guess thats my position. Listen im ALL for someone being allowed to defend themselves,whether at home or out in the street,trust me i am. But if im gonna use potentially LETHAL force on someone then i wanna be sure my life is in danger beforehand. Having said that i wont argue,a few hits to the head can fuck you up aswell as your thought process and presence of mind. But still,he had ALL that time and couldnt ascertain whether TM had a weapon or not? By time he had started tailing TM until the time he gave chase he couldnt tell if TM was up to no good or not? This BEGS the question form here on in.... CAN PEOPLE LEGALLY GIVE CHASE TO SOMEONE FOR SUSPECTING THEY ARE UP TO NO GOOD? Cos if so they this is a dangerous precedent. Stand your ground should mean stand your ground.Not give chase then when confronted your allowed to stand your ground.Cos YOU have put the guy in a state of fear and alarm in the first place.Its like YOU have drove the guy temporarily insane with fear and adrenaline. Thats not zimmermans fault but id suggest that law maybe needs tweaked a little:2c:

Ashley Schaeffer · Jul 14, 2013

From the time he first noticed TM until the time TM took off running he was acting suspiciously, like he was casing the area from what I understood of it. Then takes off running with nobody chasing him. Imo as the neighborhood watch guy he should be the one noticing stuff like that, wouldn't be worth a shit at it if he didn't. So from my point of view he did what he was expected to do as appointed by his HOA by deciding to watch TM from his car. The behavior and the taking off running is what caused him to get out and chase after with the intention of continuing to keep sight of the person that just acted very suspect. He had no way of knowing that TM hadn't just committed a crime or that he wasn't out of his mind on some substance and I believe one of the tapes he even states that TM was "acting like he's on drugs or something". All of these factors compelled him to act as he did. I did say he's overzealous. I wouldn't have left my car but then again I wouldn't be the neighborhood watch guy. So should you be able to involve yourself in what someone's doing if it doesn't directly affect you and be able to "stand your ground" if they attack you? That is tricky and needs to be decided on a case by case basis. In this case it seems to me like GZ did what was expected of him and got attacked for it and lucky for him he had a gun because he certainly isn't a fighter and that boy wouldn't have stopped until he couldn't get up. On TM's side of it, it's a shame he lost his life but he chose to attack the guy following him that doesn't look scary in the slightest sense instead of doing what is most sensible, running for home or hiding and calling the law because some creepy white dude's following him and that decision cost him his life. As racist as it may sound, we don't know what he was up to that night but we do know from actual evidence what he was up to most other nights. The kid was a thug plain and simple, what you see as a scared kid trying to defend himself, I see as the average aspiring dope boy to be that saw a "cracker" watching him and decided he was going to beat this "cracker's" ass and laugh about it later to his friends. I grew around here with the hard asses just like him and I promise you I didn't fear ANYTHING at 17.

TheApprentice · Jul 14, 2013

Ashley Schaeffer said:

From the time he first noticed TM until the time TM took off running he was acting suspiciously, like he was casing the area from what I understood of it. Only got Zimmermans word for that. The guy coulda been skiping and singing for al we know.Then takes off running with nobody chasing him. So thuglife aint it to run away like that?Imo as the neighborhood watch guy he should be the one noticing stuff like that, wouldn't be worth a shit at it if he didn't. Or he could be an over zealous cop reject eager to earn his stripes?So from my point of view he did what he was expected to do as appointed by his HOA by deciding to watch TM from his car.And this is FINE.Everythings good at this point.Hes not doing anything wrong,neither of them are. The behavior What behaviour?and the taking off running is what caused him to get out and chase after with the intention of continuing to keep sight of the person that just acted very suspect.Ok Zimmerman never testifed so to suggest his intention was to simply keep him in sight is hearsay really to a Jury. And AGAIN,what is VERY suspect? Listen i see a guy every fucking day hovering around near my kids school gates.Real shifty looking dude.Always walking around picking up cigarette butts,thats suspicious right?I mean its near a school,hes always drinking and on his own loitering. If i stand and stare at the guy and he walks,i follow and he runs then if that guy eventually sucker punches me and i kill the dude. It all was due to my mispercieved notion of him being a threat. Anyone can be percieved as a threat,just depends how paranoid or over zealous the guy is who has the suspicion. He had no way of knowing that TM hadn't just committed a crime or that he wasn't out of his mind on some substance And he had no way of knowing that he had either. So basically we can do this to people now if we dont have any way of knowing whether they are on drugs or have just committed a crime. If my house gets broken into tomorrow and i see one of the local somali kids acting suspiciously then i can approach and give chase on this basis? Stand your ground wasnt brought into effect for this reason,far from it.and I believe one of the tapes he even states that TM was "acting like he's on drugs or something". Yeah he would say that though. Plus that just sums up how Zimmerman sees black kids TBH. He also said "fucking punk,these idiots always get away". What idiot? The guy walking from the store who just made apurchase and has family in the area?All of these factors compelled him to act as he did.No ,they didnt COMPEL him to act this way. He acted that way regardless of any common sense.He saw a stereotype walking down the street and he tried to live up to what he percieves as a LAW steroetype by acting like a cop.I think thats what bugs me most about this.He Was Acting Like A Cop. I did say he's overzealous.I did. I wouldn't have left my car but then again I wouldn't be the neighborhood watch guy. Seems to me the neighbourhood watch guy shoulda got trained to always wait for back up,dont try be John McLean.So should you be able to involve yourself in what someone's doing if it doesn't directly affect you and be able to "stand your ground" if they attack you? That is tricky and needs to be decided on a case by case basis.Yeah but if the law isnt clear on this then "case by case" turns to "race by race"In this case it seems to me like GZ did what was expected of himSeriously? Wow. and got attacked for itHe got attacked for stalking the guy.I woulda reacted exact same if i got chased and had to hide. and lucky for him he had a gun because he certainly isn't a fighter And therein lies the issue with a lot of people who carry guns.They cant fight so they draw their weapon when theres no threat to life.and that boy wouldn't have stopped until he couldn't get up. AllegedlyOn TM's side of it, it's a shame he lost his life but he chose to attack the guy following him that doesn't look scary in the slightest senseSo scary guys=THREAT. Non scary looking guys=No Threat and we should just run all the way home and ring police. Ok roger that. But isnt it usually the non scary guys that are packing heat?No in fact i retract that cos im just buying into this stereotype bullshit. GZ shouldnt have steroetypes TM and vice versa. instead of doing what is most sensible, running for home or hiding and calling the law because some creepy white dude's following himOk heres where you and me differ. I was brought up im amongst some tugh shit too. From where im from ,we learn to be on the offensive if someones on our case.Retreating usually means you get knifed in the back.Stand your ground,always. In that regard TM did what i woulda done.I woulda kicked that Zimmermans ass for spooking me like that for fuck all. My reaction though ONLY comes about cos of HIS actions.If zimmerman didnt do what he did theres be one extra body living on earth. That he was a thug dont mean hes entitled to any less of a life or rights than the next person. and that decision cost him his life.Id argue GZ decision in the first place to play cop cost him his life in the end and nothing he did until the point whehre he ran for safety. Maybe he wasnt running for safety though,maybe he was hiding his weed and looking for his stahsed gun in the bushes? As racist as it may sound, we don't know what he was up to that night Well actually we do. He had just been in the store,purchased some tea and a bag of skittles.I know because iv watched him do it. Anything else is suggestion and hearsay after the fact.but we do know from actual evidence what he was up to most other nights.Again,this dont matter to me,at all. If a guy gets killed by me and it turns out hes a thug most nights it wont matter shit to the jury.What the Jury care about is did the "thug" pose a threat to your life when you killed him.Yes he possibly did. But was the guy posing a threat to your life because of actions committed by you?Yes he was. Theres culpability on TMs part but only AFTER GZ provoked the situation. The kid was a thug plain and simple, Thugs have a right to walk the streets toowhat you see as a scared kid trying to defend himself, I see as the average aspiring dope boy to be that saw a "cracker" watching him and decided he was going to beat this "cracker's" ass and laugh about it later to his friends.So TM runs away like a scared punk,HIDES IN A FUCKING BUSH and then when Zimmerman is within distance,with or without his gun on show,he decides to confront the agrressor so he can tell his mates he ran away and hid but then thugged out?Dont make sense. Why not be the thug from the getgo and challenge zimmerman before you run? I grew around here with the hard asses just like him Your stereotyping againand I promise you I didn't fear ANYTHING at 17.Different strokes for different folks.Obviously TM wasnt as "thug" as people thought,does his thug credibility no good running from a guy like Zimmerman. Unless he saw a gun?That would be a good enough ThugLife reason to run i spose:bong2:
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Ok maybe im not good at expressing kinda the way i see it.I have tried though. Heres something that just appeared on my facebook feed from "the other 98%" FB page. Its from a UK newspaper called the guardina and by a black American jurnalist.Its wishy washy in parts but on the whole i agree with the sentiment.Peace:jj:

Guardian said:

Let it be noted that on this day, Saturday 13 July 2013, it was still deemed legal in the US to chase and then shoot dead an unarmed young black man on his way home from the store because you didn't like the look of him.The killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year was tragic. But in the age of Obama the acquittal of George Zimmerman offers at least that clarity. For the salient facts in this case were not in dispute. On 26 February 2012 Martin was on his way home, minding his own business armed only with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. Zimmerman pursued him, armed with a 9mm handgun, believing him to be a criminal. Martin resisted. They fought. Zimmerman shot him dead.Who screamed. Who was stronger. Who called whom what and when and why are all details to warm the heart of a cable news producer with 24 hours to fill. Strip them all away and the truth remains that Martin's heart would still be beating if Zimmerman had not chased him down and shot him.There is no doubt about who the aggressor was here. It appears that the only reason the two interacted at all, physically or otherwise, is that Zimmerman believed it was his civic duty to apprehend an innocent teenager who caused suspicion by his existence alone.Appeals for calm in the wake of such a verdict raise the question of what calm there can possibly be in a place where such a verdict is possible. Parents of black boys are not likely to feel calm. Partners of black men are not likely to feel calm. Children with black fathers are not likely to feel calm. Those who now fear violent social disorder must ask themselves whose interests are served by a violent social order in which young black men can be thus slain and discarded.But while the acquittal was shameful it was not a shock. It took more than six weeks after Martin's death for Zimmerman to be arrested and only then after massive pressure both nationally and locally. Those who dismissed this as a political trial (a peculiar accusation in the summer of Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden) should bear in mind that it was politics that made this case controversial.Charging Zimmerman should have been a no-brainer. He was not initially charged because Florida has a "stand your ground" law whereby deadly force is permitted if the person "reasonably believes" it is necessary to protect their own life, the life of another or to prevent a forcible felony.Since it was Zimmerman who stalked Martin, the question remains: what ground is a young black man entitled to and on what grounds may he defend himself? What version of events is there for that night in which Martin gets away with his life? Or is it open season on black boys after dark?Zimmerman's not guilty verdict will be contested for years to come. But he passed judgement on Trayvon that night summarily."Fucking punks," Zimmerman told the police dispatcher that night. "These assholes. They always get away."So true it's painful. And so predictable it hurts. "Open season on black boys after a verdict like this"
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Lvstickybud · Jul 14, 2013

App, you pretty much answered all the bullshit scenorios and have pointed out what 100% of the people I know or grew up with would have done. How can anyone buy into the " but he looked suspicious" or "I thought he was up to no good" or "well he deserved it. He was punk". If TM was my kid, I would be on trial for killing Zimmerman. I wouldn't shoot him because that would be to quick and all this gun debate would start all over again. I'd probably beat him to death. OR I could start up a campain on banning steak knives.

On a different way of thinking....have any of you been "profiled" before? I have been my whole life. People always thinking your something your not. Getting pulled over and checked for no reason at all except how you look or what your riding? It isn't fun and you get pretty fed up with it. You tend to re-act to things differently. Life has some harsh lessons to be learned. If you haven't learned them or have never experienced them, what you say you would do and what you actually do are two different things.

TheApprentice · Jul 14, 2013

Lvstickybud said:

If you haven't learned them or have never experienced them, what you say you would do and what you actually do are two different things.
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Absolutely.None of us know what we would do in any given situation. If this Zimmerman shit happened two years ago then maybe id be on Ashley & Nippies side of the fence. Im giving Zimmerman the benfit of the doubt in several areas but i cant get away from the fact it only happened cos he gave chase when asked not too. I dont see this is a race issue between zimmerman but its obvious theres a race issue to the whole trial.Its also obvious Zimmerman stereotypes all blacks as one and the same and acting suspicous. It wasnt murder,but it was manslaughter and thats pretty much all i have to say on it.I dont care if the guys free or in jail.Just calling ot the way i see it with no hidden agendas. Just keeping my opinion real.Like i said,sad story but if Treyvon is not blameless then neither is Zimmerman:jj:

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CCrete · Jul 15, 2013

TA invests some seeeeerious time into his posts :roffl::roffl:

TheApprentice · Jul 15, 2013

I dont actually lol. I can type like a mother fucker which is why every few sentences theres a letter missing or a word typed the worng way round. Cant remmeber how many words a minute i can type but last time i took the test online i was scoring in the 50-60 words a minute. Im one of thse guys who just types and posts...THEN sees all my mistakes lol. The memes are made in 2 seconds flat simply by typing in your own caption too. Besides i like a good debate.Dont mind hanging around till iv countered an argument:bong2:

TheApprentice · Jul 16, 2013

Jesse Jackson is a fucking idiot. That is all:bong2:

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/07/16/jesse-jackson-calls-on-un-to-investigate-zimmerman-case-79797

ducrider · Jul 16, 2013

:FAQ:

TheApprentice said:

Jesse Jackson is a fucking idiot. That is all:bong2:
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/07/16/jesse-jackson-calls-on-un-to-investigate-zimmerman-case-79797
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Not to mention a hustler and shakedown artist. What a goof!

nippie · Jul 17, 2013

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cbf_1373866573

Lvstickybud · Jul 17, 2013

Good one Nip.

Is that CC?

nippie · Jul 17, 2013

Lvstickybud said:

Is that CC?
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:rofl6:

He gave himself away with that hat:jj:

MrAstro · Jul 17, 2013

Jackson, Sharpton... they're all racist, riot-inciting idiots. That video was cool. It's nice to see a brother actually speak the truth :thumbs-up:

That being said... there would be no 'issue' if that jackass didn't get out of his vehicle in the first place. Did you see the interview where his brother said they're worried about his brother's safety... "vigilantes taking the law in their hands". :rofl6:

TheApprentice · Jul 17, 2013

Yeah gotta admire the irony of that:tvlaugh:

CCrete · Jul 17, 2013

Lvstickybud said:

Good one Nip.
Is that CC?
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.....WTF man!

Im hung like a brother, that's bout it jack!!!:thumbsup:

meanwhile, that dude spoke from the same damn things I think, as I drive by the hood goin to work this week....good stuff tho

Lvstickybud · Jul 18, 2013

CCrete said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa.....WTF man!
Im hung like a brother, that's bout it jack!!!:thumbsup: We must be related then.

meanwhile, that dude spoke from the same damn things I think, as I drive by the hood goin to work this week....good stuff tho
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Yeah, not all "people of color" use the race card to do what ever the hell they want. There's good people in all races and there's a bunch of assholes in all races.

MrAstro · Jul 18, 2013

Lvstickybud said:

Yeah, not all "people of color" use the race card to do what ever the hell they want. There's good people in all races and there's a bunch of assholes in all races.
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:thumbs-up:

I work with 2 black tech's. One's old enough that he's been in Nam and the other is a few yrs. younger than me. Both from the mean streets of Philly. They're both in recovery, but still, they're very cool and ppl I'm proud to call friends.

nippie · Jul 18, 2013

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/17/rachel-jeantel-huffpost-live-interview_n_3610921.html

Jeantel now says Trayvon hit first, and her story changes once again.

CCrete · Jul 19, 2013

just from listening to the one juror, you can tell she isn't the sharpest pencil

Im still shocked that it was all female jurors....that's the biggest demographic of "whos the most afraid of black men".....just seemed waaaaay odd to me that they got selected and Zimm got off scott free, just anotherdetail that doesn't add up fully

nippie · Jul 19, 2013

CC, or it could be that Zimm was telling the truth and all the evidence supported that.

The more you read about the case the more you have to lean towards that stance. Everyone has this preconceived notion that it was about race. Well the lawsuits are filed because noone but the media and JJ and AL made it about race.

You guys remember right when the case started, the media changed the audio and edited out important part of the 911 call?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/07/14/zimmerman-lawyer-to-move-asap-against-nbc-news/

or when they said Zimm said coon during the 911 call and it turned out he said punks

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/03/22/cnn-isolates-audio-of-zimmerman-911-call-racial-slur-now-very-likely/

Or how the media said there were no injuries to Zimmerman originally, whne clearly they had photos and video showing injuries, they just didn't think it would sound as good as as a white man hunting down a little black boy

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/enhanced-video-shows-zimmerman-head-wound-trayvon-scuffle-abc-article-1.1054625

Or how the prosecutor kept evidence from the defense team

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/13/19457593-it-director-who-alleged-evidence-withheld-from-zimmerman-defense-fired

Or we can go into Trayvon's actual background if you'd like also

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/trayvon-martin-cellphone-photos-school-records-rel/nXz36/

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