I read in Cannabis Cultivation by Mel Thomas that you can induce high-yielding plants and polyploidy by stripping leaves and leaving just stems and branches after the plant gets a strong stem and are established. continually defoliating as it grows induces the grwoing bak of mutated leaves and induces polyploidy that can make the plant yield unusually large amounts of bud. Large leaves are continually trimmed off as the plant grows anyone heard of this or experimented with it? any thoughts?
Sounds.......interesting.. however quite dangerous if you dont know what your doin. I'd give it a try sometime, but I'll also be prepared to lose a plant.. lol
Sounds quite illogical. Photosynthesis is the engine that powers all plant (except for fungi) processes. Plants need leaves to process light. Leaves act as both food factories and nutrient storehouses.
basically u must find a stable strain (one that won't hermie) and pretty much "rape" the **** out of it... it will stress it beyond belief! then send her back to the original pheno!!!
Polyploidism is a genetic mutation. Stripping leaves will not induce polyploidism. In nature, you would be pressed to find 1 polyploid in 100,000. Otherwise it has to be done using chemical treatments to the seed, before it develops into actual plant matter. Colchicine will do just that, but it is very toxic to humans, DEADLY IN FACT. I CAN NOT STRESS ENOUGH THAT YOU DONT WANT TO PLAY WITH IT UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO DIE! The vapors will kill you. It can absorb through the skin, and it will kill you. Also, even if you are successful in creating a polyploid through the use of colchicine, you cant smoke it. It's toxic, remember? So you have to inbreed the traight into another plant, which is a pain int he ass. Why not just grow more plants for more buds? Maybe you can hit the lottery and get a natural polyploid from nature.... If it were easy to do, every grower and breeder in the world would do it!
yeah he said you could use colchicine but he said it'd be easier to do it by stripping leaves. I dunno its his grow guide. this is the guy who got caught with 4 million dollars of plants. Yeah according to plant biology it doesnt make sense either. You'd think it would stunt the growth so much. But I have heard of inducing polyploidism by somehow fucking with the growth and it will indeed grow back mutilated.
You may be thinking of Mel Frank, who, with Ed Rosenthal, wrote a definitive book on marijuana cultivation. It was Ed Rosenthal that got busted.
Oh he may have changed his name then because the author of the book im holding in my hand is Mel Thomas who wrote Cannabis Cultivation: A Complete Grower's Guide Published by Green Candy Press. Author of the Book aka Mel Thomas aka Mr. Big. Author and co-accused were sentenced to more than 14 years in Europe's most secure jails as class A maximum security prisoners
this website has stuff what usless was talking about. here it is www.greenmanspage.com this site has everything but it definatley takes some high intellect or a biology major to really understand wtf they are trying to say, it also is like a begginers grow book to. all in one site I learned a **** load of stuff from it try it out.
Polyploidy? Guess I'm a little lazy and don't really want to look it up right now What does this mean? My last grow included a female greenspirit. Totally different than any other strain I have grown. From early on, it grew 3 branches at each node, instead of two. It only grew to be about 2 and half feet tall, with no croping/topping. Got several colas, not a single main cola. 2 oz of that plant, and it smoked great. Is this what you are talking about? If so, from what you guys say, my experience is rare. Should I be kicking my self for not making seeds or cloning? (Edited by nulfire at 8:06 pm on June 27, 2004)
plants have a certain number of chromosomes. For each type of chromosome there is another chromosome of the same type that control the same aspects of the plant but may have different alleles(excepting sex chromosomes). thus for each type of chromosome there are two per type. This condition is referred to as diploid. or diploidy. This condition is normal. By usage of colchicine and other methods one is able to cause an error in cell division that will induce a certain type of chromosome to maybe have 3 or more corresponding chromosomes. THis is a result of nondisjunction. THis condition is called polypoidy
This in a way sounds like scrogging in hydro that i tried. Although i didn't strip all the leaves of the plant i did take all of the larger leaves off for more bud producion. It did work well but the time invested wasn't worth it for me. There was defintly more bud per plant but i think as i remember that it was more for the light to bud ratio. My setup was a 400hps in dwc with a very mature plant. Harvested 2.25 once off the one plant and took many hours of trimming and care. It was a learning experience.
Thanks abis! Seriously: How about telling me why that is a desirable trait in MJ? I assume this gets me more/better buds somehow? Just curious...
Im with Use on this one. He does know what he is talking about. I have had quite a couple plants that went poly and none actually yeilded more. Infact they yeilded bout the same or less and most of them actually turned hermi. Here be a quadraploid, a clone from a mother in which the mom and all other clones stayed the same, this one had a tighter main cola but serious pop corn buds and lower yeild then her normal sisters. (Edited by HappyJay at 4:47 am on June 28, 2004)
whoa thanks for the pics happyjay. Yeah I didnt think it would work anyway. Even if you managed to induce polyploidy, you have no control over what the results will truly be. I just thought it was a fascinating topic really. if more people have examples of polyploid plants then they can share some info
