Shhhhh... Not allowed to share this yet.

Hi guys.


I've mentioned before, but I'm working on an I-502 project. I'm not allowed to start advertising yet, but I wanted to share what I could with the folk I started with.


Our operation is designed for about 3000 square feet of plant canopy. We'll be running a 1 plant per square foot sea of green. We're using the full Canna line in coco. One gallon pots, drain to waste, yadda yadda. Simple growing. I miss vert already.


Oh, and we're using LEDs.


Our strain selection to start is:


Washington state fair


cinderella 99


purple jolly rancher


orange creamsicle


Alaskan Thunderfuck


Chocolate chunk


chemdog 91 Skunk VA cut


chocolope


afgoo


Purple Elephant (not sure on this one)


Piff


cotton candy


... and three strains that I accidentally lost the tags to. Going by leaf shape and branching structure, one is a pretty even hybrid, one is a sativa dominant hybrid, and one is pure or almost pure indica. Pretty sure the indica is a Master Kush cut.


Glad to be back, pics of the little moms incoming when I find time, open for questions.

 

If you have 3k sq ft of canopy, how big is (are) the room (s)?

 

The impressive part is the fact you want to use LED. why?

 

Damn that's a hell of a garden

 

LED get serious thread is kind of pointless to point out a $2,400 LED beats a $200 HPS. I would love to have 10 AT600's.


I have yet to see an impressive grow with an LED, kind of small plants with a toy light is all.


Winter time you get to heat the grow room. there goes the power savings.


Led will cost him $300,000 for nominal coverage.


I will switch to LED when the price comes down.

 

Hmmm, time to rethink that.

 

I'm thinking it's a greenhouse and the LEDs are supplemental lighting, not the primary source.


Be Cool, CG

 

All right, in turn...


I-502 was the legalization initiative in WA. So yeah legal grow op.


Lighting is with Prosourceworldwide's 180w UFOs. HVAC is going to be handled mostly with 5 ton residential units. The cost on bigger industrial ones was craziness.


Room dimensions are about 20x45 and we have 4 rooms.


Aaand LEDs weren't my first choice. The business owner was basically scared of high voltage and flat out wasn't willing to do the job with what I'd consider the right equipment. That ship sailed without me. I'm not very happy about it but it's what I have to work with now. We're trying to get around the limited penetration by running a SOG, but I've seen LED growers who SCROGged as well with good success.


And I'm not sure who bred the C99. This batch of moms is all cuts from a well known Seattle vendor. I'm putting in a seed order in a couple weeks, too, and am open for suggestions.

 

Sure hope those prosource hold up. Just remember if you keep your LEDs too close or similar to how close or closer than you'd run an hps you will be screwing yourself big time. That is unless those are the ones without lenses. I'd get a meter and measure to find your sweet spot. If you guys want a quantum sensor without buying a crap one like hydrofarm or sending $3-400 on a meter you can use the apogee and li-cor sensors with voltmeters. The meters they sell just add auto conversion factor


So you don't have to multiply your reading and do logging. Though you'd still have to do that systematically otherwise lose your place and not know what data belongs to what. Apparently it's been such and issue with larger projects they are now starting to incorporate GPS in them to differentiate measurement location from each other. Of course that's more room to room or different areas not to identify a specific height or location in the room.

 

Thanks man!


I was planning on setting up with a PAR meter when we build in. I'd rather do it cheaper if possible. I'm trying to do it right the first time and not bother with it again. And, luckily, we have a small enough op that I think I can keep track of it all. If I were building in anything bigger than I am I'd be more scared but I'm pretty confident with this since we're starting at half capacity and scaling up over a year.


And I think I forgot to say, we're doing a fully indoor op, not a greenhouse.

 

nice project!


f*ck LEDs:roffl:

 

Kinda how I feel about HPS now.


Snoop,


For what it's worth honestly with the discounts some of the places give to get the same or better results would cost about 3 times more. So say if you went A51, to replace a 1k I'd probably run 3 of there lights and have more light with less watts. If you're buying 12 or more they are pretty reasonable. ~$250/ea is what it was. If you are buying new ballast and everything a 1k can cost you about that so about $250 vs $750. Now if you go from running ~10,000W to ~4500W which is what it would be in a 10 lamp replacement. I think you'll pay back the lights much quicker than thought. Though actually if you ran 10-1ks, and say they run 1060W at the plug, that's 10,600W, compared to still the ~4500-4650 LED, even with Onyx like DXE uses would be ~6600W that's still a sizeable decrease in the monthly power bill. Not to mention uhhhh no fucking IR for FLIR to pick up. Period, doesn't exist unless you are using a or other source that emits it. Even the "IR" leds are truly just far red. At least the ones i had seen might be something else now. LOL


but either way different strokes for different folks I suppose. I'm glad I took the gamble. Get more from the harvests than the old 400W in the past was doing, using less wattage, and no heat to worry about. End product is in no way shape or form inferior to the stuff that had been grown under HPS at the site where these all originally started with a buddy. It's 100+ in TX, I have zero issues with an exhaust that would never work with a 400W HPS in that space. Matter of fact my AC is set at 78, cranked the exhaust up(Well what cranking you can do for a tiny 4"... LOL). Temp is 81. I cannot complain.


Maybe someday CC and some of the others will drink some delicious kool-aid and join the dark side. Well guess I should say "Light" side... :roffl:


Just for the hell of it. Put a little scale on things. 240z steel reserve can.

 

God Bless Steelies, every one.

 

Yeah Snoop, I have 3 flowering rooms. 2 that have AC. I use the hps 600s in there. The one without AC I could only flower in colder weather with the hps and it provided valuable heat, but had to shut it down come spring for 6 months or more.


But now, the LEDs let me flower in there even during the hot weather. I'll set the hps back in there this fall and move the LEDs to the big rooms and add more plants. I'm not going to make a total switch, but the LEDs give me added options I otherwise wouldn't have.


If you think about it, a couple LEDs would have let you flower plants the entire time those 1000s were shut down. And would have more than paid for themselves during that time. Maybe they can't replace the hps totally, but they can produce when the big boys can't.


Be Cool, CG

 

sooo what the price equivalent to the HPS lighting that I needed for my new build? I have 6-1ks and 6-600s running now...guna scoop up another 3-1ks soon


I spend around $220 for an entire bulb,socket,ballast setup with Eye Hort bulbs


Im saying fuck LEDs cuz there's about zero proof out there for a larger grow that I need to have in front of my face and don't give me those like 4-5-6 same old grows that are out there with leds....hell yea im sure you can pull nice buddage off LEDs, just like you can off CFLs, that is...IF you do it in a spectacular fashion and almost 95% of the grows I've seen or read with either of those 2 light sources, are with 3-4-5 plants that are tiny


Theres a few million growers out there now a days and IF Leds were as awesome as some people say, then there would be massive amounts of threads and whole grow conversions going on...but theres not....why? I know why:roffl: