Withe passions running high. With voter arguing with voter this is the thread to let it all out! My position is pro Clinton however I am biig enough to listen to an opposing point of view in the name of the future of our Country! to the Election 2016 thread !!!
I posted that first post as an introduction and you all know I am voting Clinton at this time but can you or any of you persuade me to vote Trump? Here is your chance to present factual arguments why Trump is better or if you think Clinton is better present that truthful argument. My first objection is the most current one. Trump has committed Treasonous acts by inviting a foreign agent to "hack" American political process. By that very act alone he demonstrates he is unfit to be POTUS. That is the kick off argument. I hope there is someone else at GK that has some smarts and can actually post them when it comes to the 2016 elections.
Why should I give two shits about persuading you? My goodness you're a self centered little snowflake aren't you. How about you persuade me to vote for your preferred candidate? Btw..you gotta do better than some Trump treason Russian hacker call to arms. Pretty obvious troll bait there bro.
I think we should have a online vote to see who would have sex with Mrs. Clinton? I for one would get drunk and climb on top of that old bitch and hump the hell out of her....well wait, J/K....:icon_confused: I would def hump Trump's wife and his older daughter, ok, his younger one also... I watched most of the RNC and the DNC and Trump has alot of nice Ideas but not much back ground on much other than running companies. Clinton, she does have some good points she has backed up but the bad ones are hard to pass by, plus keeping some of obamas ideas going is not a good idea to me. Now that's it's down to the end, picking the lesser of two evil's is all we can do. I don't think trump really meant he wanted russia to hack those emails, I think he was being sarcastic. there is plenty of people here who could do it. I am sure the Gov already got rid of them by now anyways in the name of national security.
Hmmmm. Should I vote for a scumbag that has been caught in lie after lie since the Watergate trials or for a loud mouth that both political party's are afraid of? I think I'll pick door number two please. Oh and treason? I listened to what Trump said and all he said was that he hoped the Russians could find Clinton's emails and that the US news people would gladly pay big bucks for them. Of course this was AFTER the Dem's claimed that the Russians already hacked them. How is that treason? Now erasing thousands of emails that may contain US secrets (or may not) is a form of treason. Not paying attention to (being to lazy and tired to answer that call) an embassy crying for help and allowing them to be killed is treason. I also think taking money from ISIS and their supporters should be treason too. Also all this bullshit that Clinton says should have been done already or that she will do could have been already done or in the process of being done by her and her cronies while her husband was in office or she was in her Senate seat. All she does is open her mouth and shit comes out. Why hasn't she already been getting all this done? Too busy getting bought off? Just like equality in pay for women. She got her daughter a $900,000 a year job straight out of college. I would love getting my pay equal to that. I could go on and on about that treasonious bitch but I get to pissed off at the sheeple that worship her. Just like spouting how Trump is against immigration but he has an immigrant wife. NO!!! He's against ILLEGAL immigration not real immigration. I don't understand how people (Clinton supporter's) always think they're the same thing. It's not.
Mike Pense has to do damage control for Trump. Trump thinks Muslim Soldiers that die for the USA are not important! [h=1]Trump attacks Muslim father's Democratic convention speech[/h] Trump says he has sacrificed!! He works hard! What a loser!
yea, and clinton called bengahzi mother a liar when truth is, clinton was the entire time and thats not even in dispute anymore or every last pundit on the left being so offended by the survivors and family of the slain opening GOP convention. oh, you actually forgot to mention that trump called the capt a hero...but hey you actually believe op eds as factual articles. seriously, this is why anything with you is pointless. you either are incompetent beyond belief or just a troll. like how you don't like nafta or tpp but your for globalization.....hey geys I'm pro choice but think abortion should be illegal. wtf and i'd second what LVS stated, oh that's right we're supposed to forget that clinton policy started the arab spring and millions of displaced and coming up what half million deaths...but hey trump said words and hurt my feelings.....even though he really didn't say that.....i read an opinion piece that told me what to think he said. troll of the year
I see what you did there :thumbsup:. But cmon guys, let's not feed the troll. I'm fine with everyone debating and hillary is a bitch and trump is a con, and stein is card carrying commie, Johnsons foreign policy is a throw back to the 1800s....etc. most of us are adult enough to tell someone to f*** off during a political or social debate and then say hey, whatcha think about these nutes, or this etc. In the end they all suck and we all know who were voting for. Doubtful anyone's mind will change except full maybe more people will learn of third party candidates here and healthy debate is good because sometimes people learn of new facts and resources that could actually help them form new opinions But this isn't debate, it's nothing prove to me that I don't like pizza On off note, did you see blm s, I was going to post but update is coming so I'll wait to see how interesting that gets.:roffl:
Yeah Nip. We all got our guy/gal. I just wish more of us voting actually paid attention to our personal candidate's drawbacks. Not one is exactly what anybody wants. So simply admit it, admit the bad parts and be honest. Whether you vote out of pragmatism, or you really believe the message, isn't the problem. It's the head in the sand willful ignorance so many voters carry about their preferred candidate. Yeah, Hillary is as corrupt as they come. But if you're willing to swallow her bullshit because her corruption serves your causes best? Great! Simply be fucking honest. Trump is...is....Trump is a freakshow. I honestly believe he never thought he'd win the nomination, at least not when he first started. The cat's a timebomb. He may go off while in the Oval Office, or, he may not. He could create so much chaos that we see both centrist Repubs and moderate Dems become more of a unified force in congress. He could lead us into a trade war, probably is more like it. He wouldn't do shit about Wall Street or banking regulations. But if you want a timebomb with possible upside...so be it. But don't pretend his possible downside isn't enormous. Can't say it's a worse or better choice though. Johnson...I dig a guy who eats a cannabis energy bar then climbs a mountain. It speaks to me. He's anti Wall Street, pro banking reform. Wants to end Prohibition. Is in favor of closing the Dept of Education and pushed for school vouchers as a governor. Yeah, his foreign policy is nonexistent. He'd be a minnow in a shark pond. And he ain't got a chance in hell. But I'll vote for him. Stein. Perennial cat lady candidate. If it feels bad, she's against it. If it feels good she's for it. Pretty much how a lot of people run their life. Go Jill!
jill is a natural fit for bernie supporters, but like bernie her plans aren't affordable and some right absurd. thinking we can have the magically place where the government actually works is like buying a lifetime subscription to dick enlargement pills before you even tried them. it sounds great, but say so does saying people should love each other and always do whats best for the group as a whole......it will never happen because no commie has every succeeded because those on the top will always be corrupt. i was backing johnson but he needs to explain his response on the BLM question he received. anyone that supports them in the least doesn't have my support. their list of demands are absurd and actuallly call for segregation....so i'm not, won't, cant support anyone that even entertains them. might have to get my ticket on the train lol....it should be a wonderful crash to witness. anyone else notice how absent hillary has been? has she even had an interview in months? you have the media twisting every word trump says while not even questioning why clinton is absent. i know it's her strategy but if you support her you gotta be somewhat of a chump to vote for someone who won't even express her views. last time she said a word on television she got caught once again about what the fbi said, it's not like you can't youtube the entire fbi press conference. She still has yet to clarify her tpp views in the end, i just don't trust the government and want as little of it as possible....thus my problem with trump also. hes a big gov guy i may switch my vote to vermin sumpreme. I wish i could get my youtube button to work but look the cat up...everyone gets a free pony if he wins
Jill isn't a natural for this Bernie guy and a lot of one time Sanders supporters are not going Clinton or Stein. Methinks you're misreading who Sanders supporters where/are. Many of us were/are disaffected repubs and dems looking for a sincere effort to change the way our government addresses problems. He was the least dangerous of any front leading candidate so he got our support. It had far less to do with many of his polices and more to do with his looking at domestic issues from a different angle. That he was the only guy running without Wall Street ties and huge lobby ties. Sanders was a catalyst in the same way Trump is....but a safer alternative rather than blowing up trade agreements and alienating a sizable portion of the international community.
Thus one of our differences, I'm ok with being an isolationist. But a poor politician is just a dumb human being, prior to a few years ago it was for them to inside trade, the reason he doesn't have wall Street ties is because he wasn't smart enough in my opinion, not that he was honest. I think majority of his sanders supporters will go hillary, because they think and act greenthumb. Literally believe things on msnbc is real news. People have been so precondition ed, you faux news, but it's really the left spinning the hell of shit. If you can't see that the wtf. Like dem email leak, it's a bigger issue of Russian than an election being rigged and money laundering......seriously what's worse in your eyes. But most sanders supporters are like greenthumb, they don't really even understand what's going on and use snippets and opinions to form their opinions instead of basing something on facts johnson is actually gaining traction. If he gets in the debates so others know what libertarians are, we may have a shot. Basically we are social liberal ( not snowflake triggered liberal) and fiscally conservative and based on individual rights vs collective rights
