heres my stoney thought for the morning... a plants need to survive drives its genetics to adapt to its environment right? it also is what created the trait of pots potency right? so what would you do to a plant to make it more potent? in the million year evolution i mean. why do u think pot is a neuropathic substance? do u think pots effect on us is simply coinsidence?
green goblin, It has been theorized that Cannabis Gained "THC,and Cannabinoids," becuase it is mind altering,and animal's native to where it originated would eat it becuase of this,Thus spreading seeds in their manure. And also as an insect/pest repellent,to keep the speices from dieing off due to spider mites or any other bug,mite that may wish to eat them,so on. But I think the only thing I have heard of concerning enviroment and potency is the light they receive. Hps lights flower Cannabis well,cause its spectrum is close to that of a fall type spectrum. But,UV rays can cause an effect in THC,and other cannabinoid levels,making the weed more potent if an HPS spectrum,and a metal haloid spectrum are combined indoors. The suns light in most area's where Cannabis is native has alot of UV rays in it,and by changing its enviroment to a land where it doesnt receive this kinda UV spectrum it can lower the plants potency if grown outdoors,because of this. pure sativas dont grow to maturity in Canada,if grown outdoors. thats enviromental factors. """so what would you do to a plant to make it more potent?"" Indoors I would add a metal haloid to my hps flowering,and up the THC some. Outdoors: If given a million years of natural selection,I would: have a plauge of cannabis eating insects to be around every 5-10 years. And alot of animals that like to get high to eat them,around as well. This wou;d make them resistant to the insects that are attacking them,AND allow for the spread of their seeds. The surviving Cannabis plants after a million years should be potent enough. "IN THEORY."( as soon as I get a milllion year to spend,on checking this out, I will.) """why do u think pot is a neuropathic substance?"""" To spread its seeds,and resist insectd,most ikely. """do u think pots effect on us is simply coinsidence?""" Yeah,I dont think nature seen us coming an decided to make it that way just for us. Were just damn lucky it was like that for us. But if you think about it,mankind may be the greatest thing to happen to the Cannabis plant. unstead of nature depending on "natural selection." We breed the plant for the traits we like. And can make it more potent,larger,resistant,more resinous.or about any other trait we like. What we must save are the "Land race" strains. Thats where everything came from,and can continue too,if we breed them correctly. Thanks for the "stoney thought." S.Farkus
i think we are the "plauge of cannabis eating insects." We may not be insects, but we sure do get rid of cannibus. Think about it, we farm cannibus(grow it then smoke it) just for the high, do u think us using so many plants could lead to an increase in thc later on? lol i'd like to think that my regular everyday chiefing is for a greater cause: so my grandkids can repeat the process with higher grade cannibus.
Pot reached it's present rate of potency thanks largely in part to man. It got that way the same way that we have tightly-wrapped 18" ears of corn. Scientists recently excavated campsites in S. America many thousands of years old, and they found cobs of wild corn (which is now extinct). About 2" long. By saving the biggest ears as seed corn over thousands of years, corn became the familiar size we know to-day. So mankind saved the seeds of the plants that exhibited the traits they sought. Btw, there are many species of plants and amimals that would die off if they're weren't people. Corn for example. Without people around to "shuck" the corn, the kernals would rot & die, tightly wrapped up inside the husk. P.S. animals (inc. people) don't get high from eating 'raw' pot.
RD, """P.S. animals (inc. people) don't get high from eating 'raw' pot."" My Dawg ate some WW that I had on my rolling tray,while I was preparing a pizza. He was baked,serious visuals he was having. Cannabutter. while not RAW ,is the same THC that is in cannabis. Did someone inform you that animals (Inc Humans) cant get high from eating Cannabis? cause I can assure you animals as well as humans CAN GET HIGH from eating Raw Cannabis. Ask my dawg. S. Farkus
Scut, if you want to defy biology, be my guest. Fact is, THC is only alcohol and oil soluable. People who claim they (or their animals) get high from eating raw pot remind me of a couple of people I knew back in the 70's who SWORE they got WASTED from drinking bong water.
I'm with Ranger on this one.Cannabutter works because it (thc) has bounded with the butter , making it soluble.
My dog ate a half pan of pot brownies on 2 seperate occasions and both times he was noticeably fucked up for 2 weeks...he was pissin himself and couldn't walk the first two days, then spent a couple few staggering around and then he could walk but not run for a few and then he just slept. And now he's the most mellow dog on the planet. Except when trash is accessible...anyway the brownies both had cannabutter inum. Funny shit learned a lot from that...#1 dogs can't have bakers chocolate. Milk chocolate is only harmfull if they were to eat a lot of it, I thinj my 65# dog would have to have eaten 2# to get sick. Dark chocolate is in between but still would have to eat a huge amount. I also learned that herb affects dogs differently than us. When they do get high they get way high...and when they get way high, like he was...they are trippin hardcore! Makes me sad to think bout how it was at first cause when he couldn't walk at first he wouldn't hardly open his eyes without shaking and squinting, but he always had a big ass grin on his face so maybe he enjoyed it a lil...
Yah. Guess where the raw pot's THC goes.....into our FAT, IE, OIL. You can get high from raw pot by eating it, but it has different effects on different people because of metabolism. We have had this discussion before, but putting it into butter/brownies/cooking it just makes it easily available to the body rather than not.
Don't be too hard on the guy...he hasn't been around here in years. And a fine grower he was. Interresting character, but a fine grower.
It doesn't necessarily "adapt" in the way people think. Your gene expression will change, but the adaptation comes from those who are more suited for a given environment and produce offspring. Over time and different environmental occurrences the ones best suited for the environment have a better chance for survival and pass on their traits. Another misconceptions is fitness, people assume that means the strongest most healthy. Sometimes something that allows us to survive can also cause our demise. A good example of that would Cystic Fibrosis or sickle cell anemia. Back in Europe when they had the bad cholera going around people were dying carriers of the cystic fibrosis gene had an advantage is they were heterozygous for a certain mutation in the gene CFTR(Cystic Fibrosis Transmembrane conductance Regulator), meaning they carried one normal copy and one of the altered copy. These people were able to retain water better and avoid death easier. Now this mutation didn't arise because of that out break, it had been around long before that but in that instance it allowed more people to survive. So having one copy of the gene was a survivial advantage, having two copies causes almost certain early death due to lung infection because of faulty chloride chanels allowing mucus to build up and not be removed. Same thing with Sickle Cell Anemia. In Africa having one copy(being a carrier or a heterozygote) in the gene for hemoglobin with the SC mutation, the mutation is called HgbS(hemoglobin Sickle), protected those individuals from malaria, though having two copies causes vasoocclusion which leads ischemic effects and hypoxia and local tissue damage. So in the question of the potency, it is really an exploited trait, just like green peas or yellow corn. not all plants were naturally potent but they searched out plants with specific traits and breed those with other plant that came from plants with more desirable traits and kind of took evolution into the breeders hands. While potency has always been around we have just greatly increased the allelic frequency of those genes in the population with selective breeding. Oh yea and about the peas in corn. The natural occurring peas weren't always green or nice and perfect looking, along with corn and tons of other things we wouldn't have today if it weren't for us. What I mean to same it it would be way different Good example, mustard plants. You got different things all coming from the same species of plant, cabbage, kale, cauliflower, broccoli and Brussels sprouts. All have been exploited to be different than each other. If you don't believe me look it up they are all the species Brassica oleracea. They are just cultivars. Lion if you are getting high from eating raw pot it's in your head or it has been exposed to heat or is old. If fresh and not exposed to heat there is no activation of the canabinoid receptors because the THC is still a Carboxylic acid that needs to have a hydroxyl containing carboxyl group is removed known as decarboxylation, which me misreading and being stoned as fuck told tC he was wrong about when he first joined.(the term decarboxylation, sorry I don't think I ever apologized for that, SORRY!!! better late than never I suppose.) Man I got to say since I quit smoking I'm having all kinds of stuff come back to me. HAHAHA
wwboy marijuana in its natural enviromement always reverts to a less potent strain----its the truth---hear me now and beleive it later..
Back to the topic at hand... I have become a follower of the thought that human horticultural influences have been altering/promoting desirable traits in plants far longer than modern scientific community is willing to admit. More like millions of years. I think there have been periods where human civilization has emulsified into various degrees of unsophistication, and knowledge lost to time. Could you imagine a cannabis ancestor from an Australopithecus herb guru? Happy Smokin'
