Too many weird facts bout 9/11 that fuck wit my head... Yeah but even the bullet they found was in pristine condition and any bullet that did what that one was alleged to have done woul never be in pristine condition,lol...Theres just ONE major thing bout 9/11 that REALLY bothers me,well in fact a few things,but the fact that out of all the alleged hi jackers 7 of them are still alive living in pakistan and THATS fact but ONLY the BBC in the UK reported it,it got whitewashed in the states,check it out its a scary fact.Another thing is they found out of ALL the fuckin rubble at ground zero mohammed attas passport...funnily enough just like JFK it was in pristine condition,conspiracy or conspiracy nut I prefer the term open minded,lol.Peace
im with saxby an everyone else who questions government. it IS our civil duty, and what this country was built on. without it, we are no better than any other non democratic, unfree country. as citizens of a free country fighting for DEMOCRACY throughout the world, we have to make sure our government doesnt gain too much control over its citizens! WE THE PEOPLE make up the the power our government uses, and when it abuses that power we are OBLIGATED to put someone else in charge of the very power we allow our government to have!!! :angry4:
sorry my PC is un paragrphing my posts and i dont know why...its new,etc... WORD^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Its all our duties to watch like hawks and keep in check our worlds leaders and governments.... TT i respect your opinions fully and thats what i love bout these subjects...id LOVE to sit with you TT and jimmy and saxby and el-c and anyone else to have a good smoke and i guarantee that even though all our political bliefs may differ....WE WOULD STILL HAVE A DAMN GOOD SMOKE AND ENJOY EACH OTHERS COMPANYI never judge a person based on their agreement or non agreement of MY beliefs,as i said TT im 100% openminded but a lot of shit iv read and seen has defo got me thinking and researching it and some of the facts uncovered are scary...the larry silverstine case being one of many^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What i meant bout being pristine TT was that the bullet that supposedly killed JFK hadnt even ben fired ,no firing pin marks,no dents in the bullet,it was as if straight out of the local walmart kinda thing...same goes for the passport...i shit you not TT they actually found his WHOLE undamaged and intact passport amongst ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL that rubble from 9/11...surely his passprt would have burned in the initial fireConsidering that steel only melts and collapses in the way they said it does at 3000 degrees(the heat at the peak of the fire at the wtc's was 1800 degrees,therefore impossible for the towers to melt steel at that temp)then im pretty sure the chANCES of finding any paper passport in perfect condition at ground zero is between slim and none....shit they didnt even retrieve flight data,they said the heat melted the black boxes which are made of some of the toughest alloyed metals in the world.I aint sayin the conspiracies are correct TT,i just find it hard to accept a LOT about the governments version of events of 9/11 and the whitewash UNindependant inquiry that followed(that bush fought so hard to block) and even then 28 pages were 2black markered"^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^BTW peeps my pc wont let me paragraph,dont know why,its new so still figuring it out so forgive me for the ONE big paragraph but nothing i can do to edit or change it for some eason,nothing to do with GK though................TT do you think 9/11 was down to incompetance(like the ignored pre 9/11 warning about 'bin laden determined to strike america,etc') of the administration or just an out and out terrorist attack or maybe a mixture of both?Im just trying to find out where your coming from sort of thing so i can try look at it from your point of view,etc.I'd imagine you to be a very patriotic person TT as all americans are...the governemt perpetuate this myth how its 'unpatriotic' to question them...on the contrary its very patriotic to question government and its very american and constituional to do so IMO..... as i said though i remain fully open minded and worry that we shall never get to the bottom of 9/11.I stop short of accusing a world superpower leader of the murder of thosands of his own citizens but that dont mean there aint an invisible gevrnment inside the government that didnt help cover up or either orcherstrate 9/11...like the C.I.A,we all know they dont follow presidential orders(refer to BAY OF PIGS INVASION for refernce)Peace y'all and peace be with those who lost loved ones in 9/11.:icon_salut:
Bush is a moron. No ifs and or buts involved. He is a moron. He has goddamned near singlehandedly started a war that our great grand children will be fighting.....IF there is a fucking planet left to fight on. open your eyes and see the proof....the Bush admin claims global warming is a "far left wing conspiracy" he sends is jackbooted DEA thugs to crush the will of the people? WTF is this? he is a Nazi cocksucker every single thing King George has ever said has proven to be false...every fucking thing he has said. what more "proof" do you need?
yep...I sure did El C...and I'd... ...do it again... El C...I email'd that very shock n' awe'sque strand-opening rant-ter to Mr.Barack Obama's website...he has been emailin' me back stock standard form-like replies back...they appear to be mailing list type activity newsletter-y editions of paragraphs wantin' my contribution of funds...in other words my money...so it goes...like we had here yesterday...a failure to communicate...I s'pose I will have to put the pressure on with the hard-ball questions to exact a legit personal Barack Obama repsonse... however, check this out...like one poster has mention'd here in my strand which has really gotten off topic I mite adhd...add, sorry...the aforemention'd got its claws in me too...sorry to say...lmao...no like that poster stated...I had contact'd Chuck Hagel here 'bout a month a go...I email'd him also at his website...he's a US senator...republican...and I basically threw down a "collateral damage" shock n' awe rant to him too...I just yesterday...found in my PO Box a return letter from Chuck...literally from Chuck...people are tellin' me that my receiving an actual reply with more documents included along with the actual letter prove that I musta really threw up some flags... ...I will admit though...he completely did not respond to my hardball questions...so I will take his letter to me...and reply to him with a much more thought out approach to a communication to him...I am going to start being a thorn in these politician's sides until I exact a satisfactory response and action...these so-call'd adults and leaders of the land need to be held accountable...and I will take this written crusade to the grave with me if I have to...savvy??? Anybody got the balls to get on board...yer' sure welcome...this cause could use some good hands and minds...build this bUSh...build this... DCotleaf:
Been on board since 2000......lets keep it going one letter at a time... "It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity and incumbency." - George W. Bush June 14, 2001 Gothenberg, Sweden. :smoke2;
respect to dazechains proactivity in politics..... One of many fucked up quotes he has used.... but yeah back to dazechains subject(sorry for straying partner ,you know how this politics forum can get at times,lol).... i gotta say full respect to ya DC for being involved cos too many ppl i know here in the UK (we voted today for the scottish parliament elections,for 1st time in my life i didnt vote labour party, i voted scottish national party for parliament(to become the ruling power in scotland)and i voted scottish socialist party for local government cos the socialists refuse to take the massive politicans wages,instead they take the wage of an average joe and the rest goes into the party and charity so i think they will spend our local money more wisely and they also want a national debate on MJ,they like it) but DC i know sooooo many peeps who friggin moan bout ppl in power abusing their rights yet when the time comes and their able to vote they dont even use their vote:disgust::angry7:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This bugs the tits outta me man cos they all think "my vote aint gonna change nuthing" and its this mass mentality that lets the bastards stay in power,i will never vote labour again till tony blair leaves which will be in the coming 2 or 3 months and a scotsman(gordon brown treasurer) will take over and be PM of the UK then i'll give them back my vote cos G.Brown is honorable unlike phoney tony who led us to war on a lie that iraq could destroy us with its nuclear weapons in 45mins....shit the poor scientist that they made tell the media this BS ended up killing himself cos of it,blairs got as much blood on his hands as bush believe me,and hes meant to be a fuckin liberal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So dazechain mucho respecto amigo for actually being 'proactive' in politics and trying to get all the info required to make an informed and well advised vote,on whoever you decide to vote for,personally i dont know who id pick out the american democrats nevermind who id rather see become prez out of the dems and republicans,lol,but again ,if everyone got involved like lionloves and dazechain(not sayin the others on this forum arent involved,im just talkin bout how disenfranchised the voters are in the UK my afe,voter apathy the media call it,i say ppl just think ALL politicians are LYING CONIVING BASTARDS,SECOBND ONLY IN THE AXCIS OF EVIL TO LAWYERS)RESPECT TO YA DAZECHAIN FOR PRACTISING WHAT YOU PREACH:thumbsup:Aswell as the fact i thoought the actual email/letter you posted that you sent was extremely well thought out and put across.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>More and more americans are starting to take an interest in politics these days instead of blindly voting for the same party as their father and grandfathers ,like EVERY one does in certain parts of america(y'all know the parts i mean)and it goes on in scotland aswell,today i seen ppl my age voting labour and i asked why,their answer?...."cos my dad votes labour"GOD HELP US:eusa_pray:Goodnight america and god bless as the "midnight caller used to say,lol"
I saw an interview and Obama said if he is president he will legalize marijuana, and coke, I dont care for coke, but he has my vote. Look at it this way, it will either be the first black president, or the first women president. I dont think Mrs. Clinton will legalized marijuana.
Clinton is a tired old dyke. Obama is a fresh new face.....I think his time is rapidly approaching. everytime I see him I like him more. can't say that about any of the other clowns in the show
Well I too like Obama but Hillary did really well in her recent interview and when asked questions she was confident and LOL I almost look at her like a man>>>so I have not made up my mind about her. She is very strong & intelligent plus I like her political stance on women>>>being a chick I was diggin her opinion on how we are sooooo underpaid compared to men in the work force. I mean it is the year 2007....this should not be yanno? Now I do want her opinion on legalization of MJ....have not gotten a clear answer to that one. As far as Obama legalizing cocaine??? Ummm that is just insane IMO>>>considering so many ppl lose everything to being addicted to that drug. I did not hear where he said that...someone have a link?? Daze...nice to see ya on the boards my frd>>>will check that out!! Thanks for the info my frd. El>>>totally agree with you on Bush! Even if his IQ was 125 or whatever it was>>>he is insane so that trumps out intelligence as his judgement and thought process is so far off it is not even funny. Now Clinton was the one president to have the highest intelligence which yah some of you may not have liked him you can not dispute how smart he really is. I personally liked him when he was president...sure he has made mistakes but NO more then the rest of the idiots we have had in office. I do think Hillary is very bright as well>>yah she lacks personality compared to her hubby but in all honesty, I just want to see a person in office who will make a difference and also stand up for the ppl>>not be a puppet. I do think she has shown more personality lately then she even has....then again she is campaigning..haha Bush>>>LOL I see his ass under a microscope for here on end as it should be. Hopefully the truth will all come out & the people who really think he is honest will finally see what a snake he is. Peace~mermaid
kingdom, or democracy? bill clinton has been in cahoots with the bush's for a few years now. this makes me think hiliry will be less like bill was, and be more like the bush's. besides, weve already had two bush's in office! do we really need two clinton's?!? this is supposed to be a democracy, not a fuckin kingdom!!! obama for me!
NO where can I find Obama saying he would "legalize marijuana and coke", just that he had done both (he writes in one of his books), but he is that kind of liberal.....But it takes the states, congress and courts, not the president, to change the laws.....they just help send it along... Hillary....geeze...I have nothing against her as a woman....I liked/like Bill Clinton..I like a FEW of her policies......but Hillary kinda reminds me of the tin-man in the Wizard of oz.....aint really got a heart....needs a few drops of oil to get her joints moving....just talking about her personality makes me think of doing the Robot and those little yippy dogs that bark at labs..... Americans: WE NEED A LIBERTARIAN!
I guess that's kinda what I meant when I called her a tired old dyke. personally, I believe she would do a better job in office than MANY in the field. The problem is that the nation is so bogged down in bullshit, something very new and unique is needed. maybe a woman prez is the answer, I just don't see Hillary as being electable, too much baggage, or perceived baggage with her. What the world needs now is another Kennedy....could it be Obama?
^^^WORD^^^^ Lion & hahaha @ doing the Robot!! You crack me up girl!! She is kinda like the "tin man" although she has shown MORE personality lately in interviews...in fact she has a witty sense of humor which surprised me. I never really was a HUGE Hillary fan and agree we do need a Libertarian in office.....now that would be SWEET! El...yah I hear ya on the "baggage" with the Clinton's in general. Then again I blame media for all that occurred with the Monica BS>>>sorry but IMO he was not the first prezzi to cheat and personally I could have cared less about all that. I think that was between his wife and him ....now some would say he has an image to uphold and the Rep's ate that all up like candy. The bottom line is they are still married & obviously she was much stronger then most women as she stuck by him and forgave which LOL I would have kicked him to the curb...haha I alwys wondered if they are just like best buddies and have an open relationship yanno?? Which again is their bizzness and not the world. Not to mention Monica was looking for PR and yep she got it...sad thing is she got neg attention and now looks like the fool she is. I still say it would have been sweet as hell to have Hillary & Obama run together for office... We certainly need change...shake things up and also someone who will stand up to congress >>not be some puppet. I personally have a hard time thinking things will ever change as yep>>>all politician'a have an agenda and will lie. Sad ...but true. As for another Kennedy & someone like him>>> But then they would have to have eyes behind their back since look what happened to him. Which is why I have stated so many times...seems to me that Bush is still alive because the hit on Kennedy was the goverment. I mean Bush is prolly the most hated President and yet he never has had a hit on him which yep>>shocks the hell out of me. LOL Not saying I wish him to be killed....just weird if ya ask me is all. Question for you all.....do you feel it will take a civil war to really change things and make it a better place?? but I do see one coming....and NO I am not for war but if the American's want to take back our country>>I just do not see any other way. BTW>>edit in>>I too can NOT find one link to where Obama said anything about weed or cocaine. If you have the link....could you post it?? Peace~mermaid
Bill worked with bush senior on some humanatarian issues, When asked about busch junior bill said "He isn't half the president his father was". Hillary has trouble hiding her distain for George JR you can see it in her face when they are in eyeshot of one another. Obama dosn't care bout bush all he wants is to be the first black pres that in and of itself worries me. I know when I want something bad enough i will do and say whatever it takes to get it. The more i listen to Obama the more i feel like he is trying too hard. Either way i'll be happy i think either of them will dom a good job although i favor hillary slightly i truly feel the US needs a womans touch at this point even if that woman is a bull dyke. George has a big problem once he leaves office ( i promis there are shred parties at the whitehouse everyday from now untill he leaves). One thing we all need to realise is that dubbleya raped the constitution,lied to congress,stole from the poor,ignored LA becouse it is predominatly black and poor, Killed no less than 8 womans rights bills. Im gonna talk a little bit about things most of you will not even know about. The current administrations intimadation tactics on private biz. I own and operate 3 data centers in the US one here in NE one in Las Vegas and my first 1 in liberty lake WA. I also own a small ISP in WA. Like many ISP's i was asked by the gov to divulge my subscribers surfing habits and other private info accesible to them i refused. 3 days later my data center in WA was hit with massive security attacks on a scale i had never seen before we pulled thru it but.... was it the gov i think so but cannot prove it. Fast Forward 2 years once again i was asked by the gov ( an agent therof) to assist in the creation of a mole more specificly a hydra the specifics im a bit cautios to divulge on a public forum but trust me you dont want them to use a virus of this type nothing we do on the net will be safe. Once again i refused. I have been audited by the IRS going on my 4th year in a row now and have been forced to retain the services of several attorneys to protect me and my operations from this administrations bul as well as building a harrasment case against them. Once dubbleya looses the power of being pres you can bet my rosey red ass there will be investigations trials and god knows what else . This election is only the beginning of a ten year shitstorm in the USA its going to get ALOT worse before it gets any better. I just hope the new Pres has the common sense to abolish the patriot act.
jimmy,talltree,el campesino>>>>> well said! EXACTLY Jimmy:thumbsup:....they are all one and the same,just different slogans,etc... personally iv gotta agree with el campesiono and talltrees last posts.... if obama is pro-weed then lets get him in as TT says ...and as el campesino says and i agree,every time i see this guy he impresses me more and more and he could be the young modern new changing face of america that it so badly needs,hes fresh with fresh ideas...hillary wont do anything that bill hasnt already thought of...except maybe remove the cigar cabinet from the oval office,lol,seriously though if america can get past the colour of obamas skin(hes just as american as every other american IMO) then i think the dudes got what it takes to go all the way and if hes on our side regarding weed then im all for it......but remember politicians are well known for breaking pre election promises so lets not get carried away,y'all need to take up the cause like dazchain and ask questions and get answers.BTW IN CASE Y'ALL WERE INTERESTED THE SCOTISH NATIONAL PARTY WON THE ELECTION AND NOW THERE WILL BE A REFERENDUM ON INDEPENDANCE....IT IS THE 1ST TIME IN 300 YEARS SCOTLAND HAS A PARLIAMENT RULED BY SCOTS AND NOT JUST THE SCOTISH WING OF THE LONDON LABOR PARTY....VIVA LA REVOLUTIONTONY BLAIR HAD THIS COMING:angry7eace y'allotleaf:
