Morals and Values

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tiberon, Jan 13, 2005.

  1. SD

    SD Cured Fat Sticky Bud

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    Quote: from george roberts on 4:08 am on Jan. 19, 2005


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    Quote: from Herbsparky on 3:32 pm on Jan. 17, 2005
    God Fish....if you could handle 10 women at once I'd bow down at your feet.

    Actually Sparky, most polygamists have two characteristics. At least the ones I've met. I'm talking about the Men. They are sexual perverts which drives them to feed on the young women in the colony forcing the Young Women to marry at ages as young as 13. They take them to Mexico where it is legal to marry such a young girl. Second they seek out Women who will support them!!! From Women who have basic educations and can barely eek out a living. To women who are doctors, Lawyers and business owners. This is how it works. They get 7 wives and place them around an area. The Women are responsible for supporting her self, her children, and Him. He will spend 1-2 days with A wife. then move on to the next one. So it boils down to as a Man you get taken care of by 7 wives, get to **** a different wife every night if you choose. It boils down to choice really.




    Where Im from thats what you call a loser. Now what if this man took care of the 7 wives and children(which is nearly impossible on just about any paycheck these days) would it be acceptable then?...I dont know seems like youd have to be one self indulgent MF to take on 7 wives with children. Its hard to take care of one family these days materialisticly and emotionally. just doesnt seem possible without being one self consumed scumbag of a person. anyone who can leave their other 6 families alone for 5 days of the week to fend for themselves and protect themselves has to be a real pathetic loser IMHO.
     
  2. Mermaid

    Mermaid ~Sea Of Green~

    Damm SD my thoughts exactly! Too hard to raise one family not to mention more! I would have to say that man would be a :dickhead: & a big time loser....IMO


    .....then again maybe the "girls" all take care of each other and the joke is on him..hehehe :smokin:
     
  3. george roberts

    george roberts SocialistRepublkOfGrowknd

    I've seen the women that live in poverty to support their husband.


    SD you hit it on the head!
     
  4. fishman

    fishman Cured Fat Sticky Bud

    My point wasn't that every man should have more wives if he wants them. It was only about men who can afford and take care of them. I'm not talking about welfare collecting Mormons in Utah. That's beside the point also. The real point was that if it doesn't hurt or affect me then let it happen. As long as we don't have to pay for it then **** it. If a man can afford his wives and stay of government healthcare and support then more power to them.
     
  5. Randy High

    Randy High Organic Alumni

    Great thread...


    I don't have anything to add...


    Randy


    a post thought:


    For some reason I thought about this thread a bit today.


    I thought to add...


    Morality is not the domain of any group or social structure. It is the domain of the Individual.


    No law or force, group or class can cause the direct course of morality because it is the creation of the individual.


    That is why the War on Drugs is a failure.


    It's an issue of morality imo.


    Value(s).. I would comment is the expression of group. Values are a social issue. imo.


    I hope that adds to the thread.


    Randy


    (Edited by Randy High at 6:03 pm on Jan. 20, 2005)
     
  6. fishman

    fishman Cured Fat Sticky Bud

    LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- Conservative Christian groups accuse the makers of a video starring SpongeBob SquarePants, Barney and a host of other cartoon characters of promoting homosexuality to children.


    The wacky square yellow SpongeBob is one of the stars of a music video due to be sent to 61,000 U.S. schools in March. The makers -- the nonprofit We Are Family Foundation -- say the video is designed to encourage tolerance and diversity.


    But at least two Christian activist groups say the innocent cartoon characters are being exploited to promote the acceptance of homosexuality.


    "A short step beneath the surface reveals that one of the differences being celebrated is homosexuality," wrote Ed Vitagliano in an article for the American Family Association.


    The video is a remake of the 1979 hit song "We Are Family" using the voices and images of SpongeBob, Barney, Winnie the Pooh, Bob the Builder, the Rugrats and other TV cartoon characters. It was made by a foundation set up by songwriter Nile Rodgers after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, in an effort to promote healing.


    Christian groups however have taken exception to the tolerance pledge on the foundation's Web site, which asks people to respect the sexual identity of others along with their abilities, beliefs, culture and race.


    "Their inclusion of the reference to 'sexual identity" within their 'tolerance pledge' is not only unnecessary, but it crosses a moral line," James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, said in a statement released Thursday.


    Rodgers said he was astounded by the attack.


    "That is so myopic and harsh," he told Reuters. "You have really got to look hard to find anything in this that is offensive to anyone. The last thing I am going to do is taint these characters."


    Dobson was quoted by the New York Times on Thursday as having singled out the wildly popular SpongeBob during remarks about the video at dinner this week in Washington, D.C.


    SpongeBob, who lives in a pineapple under the sea, was "outed" by the U.S. media in 2002 after reports that the TV show and its merchandise are popular with gays. His creator, Stephen Hillenburg, said at the time that though SpongeBob was an oddball, he thought of all the characters in the show as asexual.


    It is not the first time that children's TV favorites have come under the critical spotlight of the Christian right. In 1999, the Rev. Jerry Falwell described Tinky Winky, the purse-toting purple Teletubbie, as a gay role model.
     
  7. SD

    SD Cured Fat Sticky Bud

    Figures...the fact is ALOT of these people have flocked to Christianity in order to deal with their emotional or personality disorders. Theyre still screwed up they just do it "In the name of the Lord!" now where as before they didnt have an excuse, they had to face themselves and their questionable behavior.


    Jesus is just an excuse for people like this, an excuse to  remain dysfunctional and to do nothing about it. As weve seen Jesus permits all the sins toward others we can dish out, or so they tell us anyway. Just another excuse to shun social responsibility. Rather than seek psychological counseling(which they obviously need) they'll just hide behind the cloak of the Lord instead while continuing to promote misery and pain toward their famalies and those around them...Amen, Hallelujah.


    (Edited by SD at 12:51 pm on Jan. 21, 2005)
     
  8. RacerX

    RacerX A Fat Sticky Bud

    I agree with you, Randy...Morality does lie in the domain of the individual and not the collective group. The problem is that christian conservatives use the two terms (values & morals) to force folk to choose a side. Who are ya gonna side with- the christian right... or the you're gonna burn in hell for a long fucking time with a bunch of queer, dope smoking infidels. Fish's reference to the SpongeBob article only further illustrates my point.
     
  9. Randy High

    Randy High Organic Alumni

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    Quote: from RacerX on 11:30 am on Jan. 21, 2005
    I agree with you, Randy...Morality does lie in the domain of the individual and not the collective group. The problem is that christian conservatives use the two terms (values & morals) to force folk to choose a side. Who are ya gonna side with- the christian right... or the you're gonna burn in hell for a long fucking time with a bunch of queer, dope smoking infidels. Fish's reference to the SpongeBob article only further illustrates my point.

    Yes indeed RacerX.. It's a fight for every inch of control of the children. The power to seed the future in some mode stems from that control. Like it's a resource to be managed. What happened to Free Will??

    Every society has to establish bounds. With our Republic ( the USA )it's like tectonic plates imo.
    When they move it's an earthquake but until it does the pressure just builds and builds.

    I was thinking, and now I'm in over my head, that it's some form of a Neo-Right Idealism movement cloaked in the Morals issue.
    I hope you get my point.

    Anyway;

    I noticed a few years back that Americans seek to raze and lay blame but then they fade away.
    I thought of Ivan Pavlov's dogs and wonder if the decades of mass media have not been put to use to train us to behave that way.

    Randy


    Idealism

    http://www.iep.utm.edu/g/germidea.htm

    Pavlov




    (Edited" target="_blank">http://riri.essortment.com/pavlovdogs_oif.htm



    (Edited by Randy High at 3:36 am on Jan. 25, 2005)
     
  10. SD

    SD Cured Fat Sticky Bud

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  11. Guest

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    Quote: from SD on 11:02 am on Jan. 25, 2005


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    Quote: from Randy High on 5:25 am on Jan. 25, 2005

    SD

    I agree; I for one love my electricity..
    I love to just buy things.. My exstance is inside a system maintained by humans. So how do I oppose myself? I love having hours to sit at the computer.
    I guess it's a sitting on the fence kinda thing.. The state of indifference.
    What do we do? It's a hard sale to pitch to someone to give up what they have for the benefit of an unknown other.

    The other side of the coin there is that Resources are finite on this Planet. "Rats in a cage with only so much food..." So to speak.
    What do you think our "leaders" are doing about that?

    "Fighting abortion they are." ( YODA )

    Randy
     
  12. SD

    SD Cured Fat Sticky Bud

    Exactly Randy now picture this: Youre government offers you next to nothing nor does the Big business in your country. You live in a dirt shack without electricity. Malls as we know them and movie theaters as we know them are non existent. No 24 hour convenience stores or grocery stores to pick up that ice cream at 2 in the morning. The ability to buy large amounts of electronics to pass the hours away is also non existent. Having a car to get from point A to point B is a luxury held by only the extremely rich. No television again only the rich can afford such luxury. No Billions of CDs to choose from and players to play them in. No sattelite radio or DVD in the mini van...now what do you think the odds would be that you would stand up and rebel against your government if they were actimng questionable in that scenario?


    They pacify us and they know exactly how to do it. Some of it is good and we should be extremely thankful for it however when it leads us to sit back and watch as our government does highly questionable things it can become dangerous. I know that sounds fanatical but if you really think deeply about it...is it really?
     
  13. Guest

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    Quote: from SD on 10:13 pm on Jan. 25, 2005
    Exactly Randy now picture this: Youre government offers you next to nothing nor does the Big business in your country. You live in a dirt shack without electricity. Malls as we know them and movie theaters as we know them are non existent. No 24 hour convenience stores or grocery stores to pick up that ice cream at 2 in the morning. The ability to buy large amounts of electronics to pass the hours away is also non existent. Having a car to get from point A to point B is a luxury held by only the extremely rich. No television again only the rich can afford such luxury. No Billions of CDs to choose from and players to play them in. No sattelite radio or DVD in the mini van...now what do you think the odds would be that you would stand up and rebel against your government if they were actimng questionable in that scenario?


    They pacify us and they know exactly how to do it. Some of it is good and we should be extremely thankful for it however when it leads us to sit back and watch as our government does highly questionable things it can become dangerous. I know that sounds fanatical but if you really think deeply about it...is it really?

    Nope My Dad is a ultra Lefty.

    I have heard much worse.

    Looks like the USA is out for "Economic Breathing room" for sure SD.

    I was vaguely describing American apathy I think.
    Pacified Apathy maybe?

    We live locally and think sub-locally perhaps.. About ourselves.

    Randy
     
  14. SD

    SD Cured Fat Sticky Bud

    Pacification leading to apathy?


    Point is we have it good over here and at times IMHO too good for our OWN good.


    Weve forgotten how to survive without depending completely on 'Big Government'. That IMO is a serious issue, we just havent seen the full reprucussions of it yet however we will.


    Whenever human beings depend on another to such a large extent its not healthy IMHO. just as in a relationship it isnt good to solely depend on your spouse. Same thing applies to citizens solely depending on government and big business, its unhealthy and ultimately depending on the situations that arise, unsafe! Our apathy comes from having a silver spoon placed in our mouths by big business and Government. They're in CONTROL no doubt about it. So much so we all should be more than a little concerned. Good times dont go on forever and when the bad times hit who are we gonna depend on ourselves? Please, 85% of the United States would starve to death in that scenario.


    As compared to what a person lived like in 1800 this is very much Big Brother(george orwell) in action. No it hasnt reached that critical point yet.


    However when your life is literally dictated and controlled by other individuals in your ability to obtain Food, Fresh Water, fuel for travel, clothing, shelter even I ask you what else is left!?...The seriousness of the situation at this point completely flies over peoples heads anymore. They arent getting the severity of the situation. And when those hard times do hit? Theyre screwed!
     
  15. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    THANK YOU SD!


    Been trying to get that point across a LONG time now. You see it my friend. A quote that came my way one day....."If you place your happiness on material things, what happens the day they are no longer there?" Same can be applied here....place your dependance on things and what happens when they are no longer there? You're screwed. We all are victims of it only a few of us are waking up to it while others have seen it a long time now. The end of an age is just around the corner and we will have to deal with it one way or the other...like it or not. At this point our own government KNOWS damn well it's gonna happen. You can bet they are making preperations for it too. Can you say population control? It's all about control, only thing that changes is the scale of it. COntrol the masses no matter the population and if it gets too big...well that's pretty easy to control now isn't it? They could cull the herd in record time if they so chose to. Scary is an understatement. Think for one second about the things in your life you actually DO control beyond any outsie interference. Ain't a whole hell of a lot there when ya think about it. We're nothing but sheeple to them and they have us right where they wants us.
     
  16. Professor ChumLeaf

    Professor ChumLeaf A Fat Sticky Bud

    True to both...SD and Sparkster...


      You guys make me proud...ain't nuttin' gettin' past you two...hats off...


       I will only add this to what you two have already said quite well for me...and that is that..."gullibility" rules the day in the life of most sheep(people) in the U.S., and why pray tell you might ask....because for years government has instilled in the American psyche that we need them...without them we are incapable of fending for ourselves...and they have pushed the boundaries on that to the limit...they have exploited American gullibility to the hilt...and for their self-serving agenda no less...National Interest, my ass...private corporate interest...now your talking their lingo...I say this...the system is slanted, biased, prejudice, arrogant and mainly broke...it don't work...Men Without Shame in office are leading this great land down the shitter...and I ain't going down with the pukes...and I plan on taking my country back while I am at it...hear that GWB...better hear it loud and clear, cuz' you won't find this on your Presidential Briefing...or in your bag of pretzels, or is that tricks...


      Ok, so glad I could get that off my chest...to summarize...


                  "Reject the System"...PC


    (Edited by Professor ChumLeaf at 2:24 pm on Jan. 26, 2005)


    Can I get another edit, please...


    (Edited by Professor ChumLeaf at 2:25 pm on Jan. 26, 2005)


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  17. SD

    SD Cured Fat Sticky Bud

    Good post Herb, comparing us to sheep is a highly accurate metaphor


    PC what can one say but... :roflmao: great points with a touch of humor, good stuff man.


    If we value our lives and the lives of our loved ones IMO its paramount that we learn how to Survive without having to depend on others to such an Extreme degree.


    Raise your hand or keyboard:wink: if you like I believe George washington, Thomas Jefferson & Benjamin franklin are literally rolling over in their graves right now, over the current state of U.S. Government and citizen dependence upon that government...
     
  18. Professor ChumLeaf

    Professor ChumLeaf A Fat Sticky Bud

    I'll take my oath with a side of activism...now roll up them sleeves, men, we got work to do...Let's Roll...;)PC
     
  19. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    Rolling ---> :roll:


    Well said one and all. Something to that old adage of 'keep um fat and happy'. Become complacent in your life and your government and you get what you deserve. I believe our forefathers had to meet behind closed doors to voice their concerns just as we do here. Dissent is the American way if you ask me. If we don't question our government...WHO WILL? They sure as hell don't question themselves....that's OUR job. The bad thing is it's too late and things are too far out of our control now to even THINK we have a chance in hell of taking this country back by 'legal processes'. Sorry, but our vote means ****...our voice means ****, and our **** means **** in this country now. That's a plain and simple fact....the system has to be brought down before it can be rebuilt anew. That's how life works I'm afraid...it's a tip of the scales that travels back and forth on it's own.
     
  20. george roberts

    george roberts SocialistRepublkOfGrowknd

    So what is the answer? you all hate religion, materilism, most of you don't get along all that well. So Gk'ers what do you love besides budd? Hell you all can't even get along with each other and we all have the same love. So what is the soulution to this dilemma? What would yu advocate that people worship?
     

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