Interesting topic, religion on the 'net. Kinda like taking a shower with your boots on. Remeber that America was founded by religious men that fled England and the State Church. The religious explosion that occured in the 19th Century, in America, is still being felt today. Most Americans are religious to one extent or another. The fact that the rest of the world looks upon religion as 'evil' is quite disturbing. Men that use religion to enslave or hurt others intentionaly(sp) are no better than any other evil person. Evil takes many forms. Some use Government to perpetuate Evil like Pol Pot did in Cambodia. How about the Sudan? some use religion to destroy and corrupt, like bin laden has done. Like many priests did to little boys. It all makes me sick. Evil can take many forms, regardless of Appearance. I have found many people who are religious are nice and tolerant. and I have found religious people that are assholes. ****, one time in Phoenix I had a born again sit down at my table and start preaching to me and my wife. the kicker is that he was our server at the resaurant. Did it do me any harm? not really, just annoyed me and I left a shitty tip. Most of the political views expressed on this board are very 'left' Apparently America still trusts a Man who beleives in God and isn't afraid to stand up for what he beleives. The Athiest view is certainly in the minority in America. As long as we can still coexist peacefully all will be well, butt as we continue onward I see a time when political views and religious views will come down more and more on one side or the other. Historically Europe was controlled by the Catholic Church. And controlled with a golden fist. Hence the Backlash in Europe against Religion. They have had it harder then The USA when it comes to religions doing shitty things to the general population. Not to bash the catholic church butt it is the big boy on the block. Peace Out.
"Remeber that America was founded by religious men that fled England and the State Church." George I won't say that you are wrong, instead, I will say you are not entirely correct. America by pilgrams that left their coutry to practice religion freely and ESCAPE persecution.
No, it's not the same thing. It could be argued that I am playing with pragmatics but it wouldn't be a strong arguement.
"...as we continue onward I see a time when political views and religious views will come down more and more on one side or the other." it has already begun: bush made it clear that his policies are influenced by his "religious beliefs" in order to gain a portion of the voters that he knew would be against kerry simply because he forced kerry into taking the other side against the religion. as a result he picked up a significant number of voters who backed him primarily for these admittedly religious-influenced policies. by electing bush president as well as new republican representatives in congress that gives them majority rule over both branches, fundamental changes will take place that in effect force aspects of one group's religion on everyone. something doesn't exactly add up
I know a bunch of non-christians who share the same morals as me. So what if a president didn't say he was religous, but still held the same morals, then would he be forcing religon onto the country??? Is it just the fact that he's saying it, or is he actually forcing wrong morals on the country??? What are some examples??? I mean, why is it wrong for kids and teachers to pray in school? Why is it wrong to ban partial birth abortions??? And why sould the words "under God" be taken out of the pledge??? Are these some of the fundamental changes you're refering to Mellow? I know there are probably others, but am I on the right track?
I will tell you what it is it is just more liberal whining because they the minority did not get what they wanted. They will say how could we! They just don’t get it. Refuse to see the truth. the truth is principled people decided it was time to go to the polls and vote for what we need. They will try to make principled people feel inferior as you can discern from the statements they make. Capitalist economies have succeeded in creating wealth and economic growth. But the price of Capitalism is that inequalities will develop as those with more energy and abilities will outstrip the weaker individuals. The Leftists see inequality in wealth as an injustice. In their ideal world, everybody happily works for the common good and all share any wealth created equally. To the Leftists, the big corporations are seen as agents of greed and exploitation who exploit labor so as to enrich the idle capitalist class. (Edited by nobogart at 4:08 pm on Nov. 5, 2004)
Is it a stretch then to say that the election that just took place Tuesday...was more of a cultural election than a political election?...DC
I ask again when did the president say his religion will dictate his policies. I cannot remember him ever saying that. He has said he is a christian, but he has also said he will not impose his religion on others. He's still a politician ,don't get me wrong on that one, but I cannot believe how unfairly the left is towards him. To bad for the leftists the rest of America is not buying it. If you don't like the way things are work to change them, but the left needs a new strategy, the current one didn't work.
Hilary Clinton is all smiles. Theres your democratic change....to be quite honest....I would have voted for her rather then Kerry. She has a decent shot in 08.
Yep, Mrs Clinton will be running in '08. That's why Clinton didn't try to hard for Kerry. I think Mr Clinton wants back in the White House and I belive that Hillary can do it.
SFC says: I ask again when did the president say his religion will dictate his policies. I cannot remember him ever saying that. i wish more of you would have watched the debates. they were very enlightening. when asked by the moderator how religion would play a part in his administration, W said that his religion is very important to him and his decisions. he went on to say that god directs him to make the decisions he makes and that that's not going to change in his future decisions when he's re-elected. is that clear enough? i have a relationship with my god, and i try to live as he would want me to, but when i make a bad decision, i don't blame it on my god. i own up to my mistakes, something we all know W can not, and will not, do. because when asked what mistakes had been made in his administration that he would change, he first joked that he would have chosen better people around him. then he said (with a straight face and way too many blinks), that he didn't believe any mistakes had been made during his administration, and therefore nothing needed to be changed.
QUOTE Quote: from marymaryquitecntrary on 10:36 am on Nov. 6, 2004 SFC says: I ask again when did the president say his religion will dictate his policies. I cannot remember him ever saying that. i wish more of you would have watched the debates. they were very enlightening. when asked by the moderator how religion would play a part in his administration, W said that his religion is very important to him and his decisions. he went on to say that god directs him to make the decisions he makes and that that's not going to change in his future decisions when he's re-elected. is that clear enough? i have a relationship with my god, and i try to live as he would want me to, but when i make a bad decision, i don't blame it on my god. i own up to my mistakes, something we all know W can not, and will not, do. because when asked what mistakes had been made in his administration that he would change, he first joked that he would have chosen better people around him. then he said (with a straight face and way too many blinks), that he didn't believe any mistakes had been made during his administration, and therefore nothing needed to be changed. mary, that's exactly the quote i was thinking about but couldn't remember where i heard it. now i remember watching that debate and being so sure that bush was burying himself when he said that. i was quite wrong.
W's supporters would have learned a lot about their choice of president from watching the debates. i watched them all and was sure no one in their right mind would vote for bush after watching him show his self-righteous, (all that fast blinking), how-can-you-dare-doubt-me arrogance. but i was wrong.
Mary, apparently America did not see what you saw on the debates. Hence the outcome, or maybe America considers a god fearing man a good thing? I am fascinated by the dynamic relationship between a President and his Detractors. Isn't it funny how many different perceptions there are of an event that we all saw? I mean it was the SAME event for Dems and Repubs yet different outcomes are reported. Here are some questions for you all! 1. Is there such a thing as "the tyranny of the many"? 2. Would it be better for a country to be run by the Minority view? 3. What is the correct answer? 4. How is the correct answer obtained? 5. What charecteristics are used in determining another persons inteligence?