4 years to do wtf he wants?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TheApprentice, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. Psycho D

    Psycho D LEE VAN SPLEEF

    Ehhh.. I wasn't going to say anything here. But......apparently. This whole shit is mis-informed. Not by the media, ducksuace, whatever the fuck you's are talking about.


    So let me break it down for the layman...


    1.) I own a gun(s). I'm allowed to have one or 2 or 9. It's a useful tool. I'm cool with that.


    2.)They check you out when you by a firearm. If you own one with out a permit...some other asshole slipped through the cracks. NO FEDERAL LAW ON this planet WILL STOP THAT.


    3.)No, I don't hunt with a gun, I'm actually am a bow hunter, as a... machinist, I like neat things. If guns were outlawed, I could make one or, think of 100's of Jigsaw type shit to kill you instead.


    4.) You could shoot a Serial Killer in the face if you had a piece. Way quick. And save everybody else the trouble.


    5.) In the end. Your family is all that counts to you. There's no other loyalty greater. You'd hate to bring a block plane to a gun fight.


    5.a) And there's the crux of the argument...If nobody had guns..no one would need them..(please see #3)


    Looks folks, I'd love to live in the world of Utopia too. Quite often I do. But let's face it......this whole $ spectrum is going to get worse here in the States at least before it gets better. Not saying it's going to get to that point but, I ain't trying to fist fight some fuckin' body over bread or whatever. I would gladly give it away when I have it. But trying to take it out of my mouth would be lethal. This is the point of the 2nd Amendment.


    Feudalism. OH no!!! Yeah. That's what the Socialist would say to the above paragraph.


    Socialist say, and we should share and stuff man. Peace..and Comrades.


    The point of this is....I, cannot walk around New Orleans, for example, with a hot chick, without a gun and feel safe. In the the daytime, sure, the mayor's out there and stuff! Night time??? Pfft. You'd be lucky to see a cop. All the cops are down on Bourbon street arresting chick with boobs. Yeah, that's a little facetious but, it doesn't change what ignorant is.


    That's the fuckin' fact.
     
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  2. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    sorry O figured every last person that spoke english knew what comps was short for...didn't think i would have to explain it


    As far as your argument about stingers etc etc, well that's not even reasonable. You see it doesn't have to be an all or nothing like you think. Reasonable people can compromise and already have on this issue. It is a basic right in this country, same as freedom of speech, but reasonable people have already agreed that yelling fire in a theater is not "free speech"...as reasonable people have already agreed that civilians don't need stingers in the basements.


    About the drug trade, what I am saying is almost all violence in America (the daily shootings) is related to the drug trade. This doesn't bother you? You are growing drugs that people die over....you don't see the indirect link? While I think this is a flimsy argument at best, it's one that's made daily in the US court system...and people go to prison over it


    And no, we don't want guns because we want them....we own them because it's our right to own them and many many good men have died for that right. I come from a long line of military men....long line, I shouldn't have my rights taken that they fought for to make someone like you feel better.


    What's funny is you say you pro hunting...hell I don't even hunt, never have hunted, but I own guns. I think hunting is MORALLY wrong. You are shooting an animal that has no chance, you want to hunt..use a knife or a spear, be a man, cavemen did it so can you. But I understand that some people hunt as a bonding exper because their dad took them hunting, and the dad before that took them hunting, and the dad before that..etc etc. Thus while it may not be my 'cup of tea' I understand why others do it...we have grocery stores in this country so it's not about eating...it's about tradition,even though it's not one that I believe in.


    What's funny is people like you is why guns won't be controlled more and you don't even see that. We have compromised on the weapons allowed already and most sensible gun owners are willing to close existing loop holes and make common sense reforms but that's not good enough for people like you....so why should we even compromise at all at this point if you are not willing to give at all on your side? You take the all or nothing approach and you will lose every time...every time because it's already been decided by the courts.


    Your stance is like that of the religious in regards to abortion in this country. They want to outlaw abortion but they wouldn't stop there, they would include birth control pills/ options if they could. That's why you haven't seen any reforms in that area either. Why should any give them an inch if they are an all or nothing type person.


    Like RR said in the beginning and I agreed with as along with others, gun owners/supporters are willing to have some reforms to lower the risks of this happening again, but that's not good enough for people on your side...so guess what's going to be our position...the courts have decided the issue already and we won, so we aren't going to do shit and it's YOUR SIDES FAULT AND SOLELY YOUR SIDES FAULT THAT WE DON'T HAVE COMMON SENSE REFORMS...because it will never be good enough.
     
  3. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Didn't say that nor was I saying that.


    I was saying, as long as we don't feel safe, from gov. oficials or our neighbor, the desire for guns will be higher. Nice try at putting words in my mouth. Context much?:roffl:
     
  4. Psycho D

    Psycho D LEE VAN SPLEEF

    We should ban fire extinguishers. That's what Fire Departments are for.
     
  5. teamster6

    teamster6 A Fat Sticky Bud

    :bravo:
     
  6. Hank Chinaski

    Hank Chinaski Ruminating

    That is 100% false. It's the NRA that fights any kind of reforms. That America is awash in guns and something serious needs to be done about it is what is common sense.


    People like me will be behind the changes the country needs, because people like you are what's behind the current state of everything being f---ed up.


    As far as the stinger, etc... blah, blah, blah.... It was you that proposed that stupid ass line of reasoning, not me. Of course, it's unreasonable, limits do exist, and they should. Where we disagree is where the line should be drawn. Like my kids and watching the tv. They really want to watch like 10 hours a day, but reasonable minds have to step in.
     
  7. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    hank, if it weren't for people like me, my father, my grandfather, etc etc and all the other vets on this board we wouldn't have a country


    and no, I never had that line of thinking, my point was/is reasonable minds have already decided the issue as has the courts. people like you that are so misinformed that you create more of a problem out of fear.


    you know they are ramping up production just to meet demand now that idiots are speaking of a ban. so people like you are directly responsible for putting more "assualt weapons" on the street


    like I said, it's YOUR line of thinking that will cause meaningful reforms to go no where. Most all of us are willing to close some loopholes, but we are not even gonna do that and will fight tooth and nail if you want to take it further which is now the stated goal. the courts have spoken so it's up to congress....you really think the house will ever pass something like that without the support of people like me and the rest of the normal world.
     
  8. teamster6

    teamster6 A Fat Sticky Bud

    My HIpocracy only goes so far and besides Im makeing Hash at the MOment so there!


    t6
     
  9. Hank Chinaski

    Hank Chinaski Ruminating

    Vets have nothing to do with this discussion. What are you talking about?


    Yes, you did start that line of thinking with your silly question about banning martial arts. I'm not misinformed at all. And I'm not acting out of fear, but out of awareness of a serious problem. The pro-gunners/extremists just want to pretend it doesn't exist.


    Blaming people who want to do something about America's gun problem for the problem getting worse is totally illogical. It's like blaming an assault victim for fighting back.


    Like I said, the only reason reforms are even a topic of discussion is people like me. People like you are responsible for the current mess.


    :danger:
     
  10. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    You previously stated people like me are responsible for everything being fucked up...people like me are vets that were trained with these weapons. I know how to use a gun, break one down, replace some parts etc etc. and I'm a damn good shot.


    I'm sure 9 out of 10 vets have firearms. So we all crazies right? I'm sure 5 out 10 (prob a lot higher than that) own either an AR 15 or AK 74. So we should give everything up because you say so? Because the all mighty hypocritical Hank thinks this is were the line should be drawn but he didn't enlist, wasn't commissioned, or even join the peace corp....but you should make the rules for those of us that did right?


    The silliness is you talking about banning guns...its just as silly to say banning martial arts. Both came out of war did they not? Both have no other use but to kill.


    You say pro-gunner are extremists...YOU HANK ARE AN EXTREMIST...ABSOLUTE EXTREMIST...we are the normal folks. Half the country has at least 1 gun in their home, out of the other half what maybe 2 or 3% want to ban guns? So that makes you the extremist, just like the guys that would be stinger missiles if they could. You are in the same exact category as them.


    And you mustn't be that read up if you don't understand how having such an extreme position hardens the oppositions resolve in the fight. Like I said, most of us all willing to make meaningful reforms, but when you guys act like that's not good enough, well fuck you then, kiss our ass, because the law is on our side. It's been through the courts, it's been decided. The only way we can lose this right is if we willing give it up.


    And once again you don't touch on the drug trade, how many people get killed because of it? You are in it are you not? That's different though, because YOU think it's different...in YOUR mind.


    You look like an absolute hypocrite. But us gun owning VETS are the problem
     
  11. Hank Chinaski

    Hank Chinaski Ruminating

    I like how your argument shifts around. Now you bring vets on board. For the record, I am a vet, bud. See, when you go assuming, you make an ass out of you and yourself.


    Being a vet and being pro or anti gun control are two seperate things. Being a vet doesn't make your opinion about guns any more or less valid. Point of fact, lots of vets are f---ing morons.


    Your position is the extreme one. Simply compare yourself to the rest of the first world to verify that. I, and people like me, are simply trying to inject some sanity into American society. It is probably too late, but I would be remiss if I didn't try.


    The drug trade and America's gun problem are two seperate issues. That fact that you attempt to pull in any and all unrelated points to support your love affair with guns just shows how little you have. Nobody dies because of what I do, but you knew that right? People do die because of what you support, but you don't want to know that, do you?
     
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  12. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    No one dies because of guns that are in my safe, but you knew that right? People do die because of what you support (marijuana), but you don't what to know that, do you?


    See how easy that is?


    Once again you are a hypocrite, you know you haven't anything to add to a debate but "guns are bad..mmkay" and challenging your opinion is me "shifting around", because you have an all or nothing view.


    And if you can't see how guns and the drug trade are linked, I don't know what to say to you.
     
  13. teamster6

    teamster6 A Fat Sticky Bud

    HEY NIPPIE HERES WHAT YA NEED!


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    :rofl6:
     
  14. Hank Chinaski

    Hank Chinaski Ruminating

    LOl, you have less than nothing to add to the debate, because you'd rather keep the status quo.


    You actually didn't dig around in your bag of unrelated points this time. I'm surprised.


    Saying the drug trade and guns are related is like saying the drug trade and money are related. It's meaningless. Totally unrelated to the issue of America's gun problem, but the problem with marijuana is it's illegality. By being pro-legalization, I'm trying to be part of the solution. On the opposite side, the problem in America is way too many guns and way too easy access to them. By talking about gun control, I'm trying to be part of the solution there as well.


    You can keep calling me hypocrite all day. It's pure crybaby nonsense.
     
  15. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    :rofl6:


    I know, I didn't see what caused Stash to go off, but now I know why he did.


    I was trying to ignore the fucking morons statement in regards to vets because MrA asked me to play nice.


    But I can totally see what stash said and why
     
  16. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    No Hank, you are a hypocrite and a flamer.


    You say and do things just to argue, like you have no other point in your life. You haven't listed a valid point but guns are bad mmmkay.


    You act so superior to people and you haven't a clue, you remark about Vet makes me doubt your service...while it may have some truth in cases, no would openly state it such a disrespectful way.


    I know the guys across the pond see it different as they have a different history than us and I respect that viewpoint, but you on the other hand are laughable.


    When someone comes at you with multiple reasons why guns should be legal it's 'shifting' because it can only be a straight forward thing for you....like your brain isn't complex enough to see what it represents to us Americans.:dink:


    Out of respect for the boards I won't say it, but everyone knows what I'm thinking
     
  17. Hank Chinaski

    Hank Chinaski Ruminating

    100% ad hominem weak sauce.


    Next.


    :passsit:
     
  18. Hank Chinaski

    Hank Chinaski Ruminating

    Hey, let's worship the military like a secular god and fetishize everything about it and romanticize everything about it's members, because....


    Or maybe not.


    :passsit:
     
  19. CCrete

    CCrete Mr. Poopyfacepeepeehead

    Out of pure curiosity.....


    What in the fuck does it matter to you Hank? YOU live in shang gri la........or shanghi or whatever :rofl6:


    Besides man, word round the GK watercooler is, nobodied piss on Hank if he was on fire


    We'd all pull out our...... Guns and shoot your ass, traitor :rofl6:


    Wait, hold on guys.......heres where Hank thinks for a bit and reminds all of us how dumb WE are and how he's so prolific in life


    Im still trying to figure out how your so intelligent,have the answers, YET have shit to show for how unaware of yourself you are, your ego is insane guy......to the point where if you ACTUALLY ran your mouth like you do over a keyboard, in REAL life.....you'd get slapped like the lady you are BRO!


    Ok, now ill wait for you to lemme know how stupid i am:roffl:
     
  20. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    I am trying to figure out how bashing Hank and putting forth weak ass arguments towards our current gun issues in America are helping anything. Think for yourselves for once and not do what the NRA, military, and SeCrete tell you to do. Your response to Hank is the reason you are losing the debate on the federal level right now.
     

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