Health Checkup w/ pics

Discussion in 'Beginner Lounge' started by AverageJoe, Jan 26, 2009.

  1. AverageJoe

    AverageJoe papa oom mow mow

    The man speaks the truth. After he posted the other day I mixed up a gallon.


    The water started at 6.4. I added all my nutes and it went down to like 3.6. I let it sit overnight and it was back up to 5.8 the next day. I let it sit for another 12 hours hours and it was still at 5.8.


    I'm thinking I outta give them a good flush and start over. Hopefully I will see some improvement.


    It's those little details that make all the difference in the world. Sometimes just a small procedural adjustment can make a world of difference
     
  2. skunky

    skunky labor smoke'n lumberjack

    I would say go ahead and go with your gut and give them a flush and start fresh like you said.


    Also, yea one step in a procedure can fuck everything up. Get this for two weeks we couldn't get any good data out of our DNA sequencer, turned out it was because of the water being used. DEPC H20 no good for sequencing, HPLC grade good stuff works beautifully. The DEPC is just some chemically treated water to protect RNA from degradation HPLC is just super filtrated water. Damn filtration system we have in my lab cost $20g's and it's a cheap one!
     
  3. choker

    choker HIDING OUT

    We both wish we learned that tip a while ago. I thought of flushing mine as well.
     
  4. skunky

    skunky labor smoke'n lumberjack

    Yea they should really include on the label *Mixed solutions MUST set for 8-24hrs before adjusting pH to allow buffers to stabilize.


    GH already tells you to shake well and add micro first, that tid bit of info would be a good addition.
     
  5. AverageJoe

    AverageJoe papa oom mow mow

    I did a full flush a couple days ago. I let the soil dry a bit and then I fed with a properly adjusted nute solution. How soon should I expect to see any improvement, because it is still yellowing up pretty quickly.


    It's going to be a week or more before I can get some CalMag. Is there anything else I can use that I may have around that will get these girls a good shot of nitrogen? Hell, I have some MG 20-20-20 if that would help. I still have 30 days of flower to go.
     
  6. Psycho D

    Psycho D LEE VAN SPLEEF

    Posting here to help me follow this.


    I have the EXACT same thing going on with all my grows lately. I might have missed it but what is the strain?


    The only thing I haven't noticed is lack of yield from said problem. I don't use nutes but maybe this will help me find an organic solution to my problem. :smokin:
     
  7. Jake

    Jake A Fat Sticky Bud

    Problem is you probably will not see any improvement on this crop it's too late. I too believe it's a lack of N either because you didn't use any N after you switched to flower or your PH problems locked it out. Now that you have a handle on how to get the PH correct just make sure to use some N the first 2-3 weeks flowering as well. I think you're problem is solved.
     
  8. AverageJoe

    AverageJoe papa oom mow mow

    Welcome aboard Psycho. Hopefully you can correct your problems as well. I also don't notice a considerable reduction in yield, but I assumed that I wouldn't know if yield was reduced unless I had a healthy one to compare it to.


    Strain is unknown. Last year I grew out a bunch of unknown seeds and these were the best of the bunch. Now I'm just trying to clone clone clone. I have 3 clones in hempy buckets that will be ready to go shortly, so I should have the opportunity to try it again.


    Thanks Jake :thumbsup:


    When you, or anybody else, says, "use nitrogen" what product are we talking about? Because I give them regular feedings of the above GH products at full strength. So assuming that I get all my PH issues worked out, if it's still not enough nitrogen, how do you supplement just the N? CalMag?
     
  9. Jake

    Jake A Fat Sticky Bud

    No, there's no N in CalMag. You need to use veg ferts for N. Not only during veg but also during the first few weeks of flower. N is the first number on your nutes. N-P-K. Your veg nutes will be something like 10-0-0 and bloom nutes will switch that up and be 1-5-5 or something like that I'm just making up numbers they're all different. What I normally do and this can vary a little from strain to strain is once I switch to flower and flowering nutes the first week I still give them a full strength shot of veg (N) nutes. The next week I give em about 2/3 and the third week 1/3 the whole time still using flower nutes as well. After the 3rd week of flower it's strictly flower (no N) nutes. Hope this makes sense. Gotta go I'm running late for work!
     
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  10. skunky

    skunky labor smoke'n lumberjack

    I can't rememb if you are using the GH 3 part or the floralicious organic. If you are using the 3 part to get an N boost you feed with more grow in your solution and if you are using the lucas formulas for GH 3 part you would use more micro. If you are using GH floralicous you would use the grow/veg formula. Veg ferts high N ;flower/bloom ferts low N.


    Also, just saw jakes post and yea I do the same exact thing as him.
     
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  11. AverageJoe

    AverageJoe papa oom mow mow

    as he emerges from his stoned haze the once dim bulb begins to burn brighter :idea:


    Makes perfect sense now. Jake/Skunky :urock:


    Sometimes the answer is so obvious you can't see it right under your face. :bonk:
     
  12. choker

    choker HIDING OUT

    Every time i have grown i have lost all the leaves off the bottom of plants. I dnt think i have lost too much yield if any. I am going by my 3 oz a plant average. If the leaves stay on the next grow 4 or 5 oz per plant? I am now wondering if it may help the yield by not having to feed those areas of the plant that are not needed. Or not really hurting the yeild.


    I look at others plants and have said "boy i wonder how much weed i can get off a plant that looks healthy?"


    Time will tell on the next grow.
     
  13. Jake

    Jake A Fat Sticky Bud

    We all lose leaves that's natural. His problem is that by the end of week 3 he had a major yellowing and loss of leaves already. That's a bit too early. By the end of his grows the plants practically manicure themselves. Yellowing is normal but not so early. Choker I don't think hanging onto your leaves longer is going to get you from 3 up to 5 z's a plant but would the potency increase???? Your last couple weeks is where your plant shifts everything it has into bud production. If it's already sucked it's resources dry what's gonna suffer? Yield? Potency? Trich maturation? Be hard to say exactly where each strain/plant would suffer unless you did a side by side grow from clones but I'm sure there would be difference in one or more of those aspects.
     
  14. AverageJoe

    AverageJoe papa oom mow mow

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    Well, here we are at Day 47 of flower and not much, if any, improvement.


    Since my last post I flushed both of them very well. Dried em out. Gave em a shot of nitrogen, and then over the last couple weeks, 2 flower feedings and a plain water feed. I have not seen any "improvement" but the rate of dying leaves has gone down from 6-8 a day to 3 or 4 every couple days.


    At this point I'm just trying to get them to harvest. It looks like I should make it okay.


    I've been thinking about breaking out the DWC buckets again and giving those another go. I originally started wtih that, but switched because I thought it was too high maintenance. But I'm not so sure now, and I did have better results. :confused:
     
  15. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    At this point you're going to start seeing yellowing Joe. I like to think of the first 30 days as the 'green' phase and the later 30+ days as the 'yellowing' phase. I personally like to see all fan leaves dead and gone by harvest....or at least close to it. There's still many smaller 'bud leaves' fueling flower production so it's not that big of a deal at this point. Those plants don't look half as bad as you may think at this point given the problem you had to work with. I think they improved greatly myself. You just see them daily....it's hard to judge when you see them so often. Kinda like watching your kid grow up....others see the changes more so than you might. :ebert:
     
  16. AverageJoe

    AverageJoe papa oom mow mow

    More Pics


    A few more shots from this morning. Day 49


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    On the mother of this one, I had the late flower purple coloring also. Is this a sign of a deficiency, or just genetics because I don't see this anywhere on the sick plant guides? The pics look brown-ish, but it's definitely purple


    If this is normal, would it give any possible indications of a strain type?
     
  17. AverageJoe

    AverageJoe papa oom mow mow

    Getting closer :eek:hyeah: Day 54...The flush a couple weeks ago really helped turn this grow around. I'm gonna let em go a couple more weeks to fatten up a bit


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  18. bclivin

    bclivin Veggy Stage

    wow awesome plant!! The purple is part of the genetics on that plant for sure and the nitrogen problem seems to be caused by picky plant characteristics.
     
  19. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Great turn around AJ. Herb is right, you see them too often so the changes aren't as apparent to you.


    The varigated leaf coloration is beautiful. Lots of thick bud sites...good job!


    cheers,
     
  20. shaitand

    shaitand The Dark One

    I use Maxibloom so let me chime in with my experience. I use maxibloom at full strength from start to finish in hempy, including during the veg with no negative results. I also add 1tsp /gallon of calmax. After mixing I don't let the tap water sit since I've got two bucket fulls of water to mix. Instead I just add 1/4 tsp of baking soda. I already know this adjusts the PH to where I need it. From time to time I check to verify PH but it never changes so I don't check every time. Adjusting the PH first may slow things down but the PH ultimately settles to where I need it and can stabilize in the hempy just as well as my water bucket.


    I haven't had the problem you are having with any strain. So I don't know about the tap versus well versus RO water issue but Calmax (or similar) may be just what you need.


    I wouldn't switch to DWC. Hempy is better and can't suffer a pump failure that wipes out your crop. Also cuts down on electricity.


    YMMV
     

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