Heirloom seeds..

Discussion in 'Smokers Lounge' started by MK-Ultra, Mar 28, 2009.

  1. Confused420

    Confused420 Full Flowering

    strawberry: making absynth is just like brewing tea been doing it for quite a few years i grow wormwood, grind the wormwood i use an old sock for a tea bag and throw it in with some other flavoring herbs, i usualy use vodka and let it sit a month or two, and it i good to go some people do distill it over again but we don't bother, have redistilled it but it just smoothed out the taste


    thats where i think that the you might go blind thing you said comes from, but i know a few shine makers and none of them are blind


    the thing about bad shine making you blind is really more of a myth than anything it goes back to the days of prohibition where people would add antifreeze (methonal) to make weak shine to make it burn like the good stuff when people drank it
     
  2. TheApprentice

    TheApprentice Retired.

    G was ok for a bit,but trying to BUY weed from 2 mods is a bad idea in case,he lied!

    DONT get me wrong,so did i ,in fact i was one of the mods who pled his case for another chance and he repaid me by telling other mods i had sold him weed,iv never even met the guy,i asked to meet him in amsterdam and no reply,plus he PM'd me one time going crazy cos neon allegedly asked for clones and seeds yet he had the balls to ask me and another mod to distribute weed to his mrs as he was 'out the country',this meant hypothetically talkin that we would not even be metting him,now i dont kno bout the rest of y'all but would YOU take that chance?


    G was banned 1st time around and then started accessing his wifes account i was one of the mods who voted to give him a 2nd chance even though he was trying to open up multiple accounts and shit,he came back promising no more trouble...


    But when he asked one mod to SELL him weed and said to that mod that he had actually met me a few times in person(yeah right,like im a :tard:!,i dont sell to strangers in the street so why would i sell to avatars on a forum full of unknown quantities:ponder:) and he even told this other mod that i had sold him weed on those occassions:eusa_naughty: TOTAL LIES... iv done a few bean gifts offsite away from GK but G wasnt even doing that,he kept trying to ask me for weed on growkind and he did the same to another mod so once bitten twice shy and out the door he had to go:sad4:


    See a LOT goes on behind the scenes and the members think that some ppl are cool but in reality we see the real side of them,acting like dicks in PM's and we also can read who repped who,etc and believe me G although a funny writer just took things and the mods patience too far by blatantly lying to another mod saying id hooked him up with a few shitty ounces,lol,as if i would even leave my street to sell that much nevrmind an overnight 24 hour drive to sell 2 oz to a total stranger:bduh:


    His posts were funny though,but what wasnt funny is that while his posts made no sense,his PM's were typed in PERFECT QUEENS ENGLISH,thats the spooky part so the whole geheim persona on the forum was fake,he acted as a person he wasnt in reality,i could go on but iv already said to much and now i have the dillema of shooting you all to stop this info leaving this thread .... or herbs gonna through me down the "hole" again,i think skuzzis STILL down there cos i aint heard from him in a bit,i just hope herbs feeding him,i suggested feeding him MJ seeds cos they are very high in protein ....but aparently skuzzi had concocted his own 'high protein solution' while in the whole:budporn::puke::roll:


    Ah shit,this pollen hash is good,lol,BTW when i say pollen iits a UK term for quality hashlike MJ that is so soft it crumbles finely in your hand and dont need much if any burning,its like the soft black of the oldn days,lol.Peace:redbong:
     
  3. MK-Ultra

    MK-Ultra Excommunicated

    I always thought he was flakey... He got kind of upset when I called him out on some things.....Oh well let sleeping dogs lay I guess
     
  4. MK-Ultra

    MK-Ultra Excommunicated

    Any ways we are way off subject here lets get back to why heirloom seeds are being outlawed!!! Fucking corporations are going to starve us of our every last breath for a penny... Everytime I open my eyes some ones out there to bloody them...:roulette:
     
  5. Useless

    Useless Diogenes Reincarnate

    Now, if you relate this thread (minus the geheim part) to female only mj seeds,then you can understand 1 of the main reasons I do not approve of co's like GHS who sell female only seeds. It has the same effect....:wink:
     
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  6. strawberry.cough

    strawberry.cough looking into the abyss

    Bummer, I feel so sorry for myself. here I have been since december without weed, and not even one person offered to sell me any. Gee I must not be a trusted member of the site boo hoo.
     
  7. TheFomorian

    TheFomorian Neo-Shaman

    And you can bet that if MJ is ever really legalized, you'll find out that companies like Monsanto (likely) already have terminator tech (new seeds not viable) ready to install into those fem seeds and legislators that will make it required by law.


    That's why I'm planning some major pollen chucking across many breeds. Not to focus on specific traits, but to widen my genetic pool with as many traits as possible that can be found and concentrated upon later as legal/environmental circumstances may differ from those present.
     
  8. strawberry.cough

    strawberry.cough looking into the abyss

    I am now confused...we were talking about seeds, and wormwood seeds would not do diddly in terms of producing the thujone necessary for true absinthe.


    As for moon shine made wrong a causing blindness a myth...if you say so, I can't argue as I have never made shine...drank my fair share but never made it. It does seem to me when I practiced in alabama I saw an awfully large number of folks in the ER who obviously didn't know they were suffering from a myth. What I was taught in medical school is simply this...it can kill you if distilled incorrectly. The desired outcome is ethanol.. and if distilled at the wrong temperature the outcome is methanol aka methyl alchohol/ wood alchohol which the body breaks down into formaldehyde. I am not a biochemist, but I have a friend at eastern tenn. state university who is, so I double checked with her to make sure I had my facts straight before I posted this. I am told I do.


    Look, I am not telling anyone to not do what they want to do. I am not trying to sound like a know-it-all. I would never say anyone is stupid. I just like to play the devil's advocate, in that I like to present the other side whether I buy it or not. This time I buy it though...I have seen it, and a lot of lead poisonings because they made the shine in things that contain lead. Sure might just be in 'bama that they do dumb shit and cut corners, but I doubt it.
     
  9. Useless

    Useless Diogenes Reincarnate

    There wouldnt be any need for terminator tech. Seed company's that sell female only seeds are already accomplishing it. Cant make seeds without male pollen. If you have female only you have to induce hermaphrodism to gather any pollen. If done through successive generations the end result is a hermaphroditic genetic line. Besides, as soon as massive seed co's jump in, it wont take long before all they are selling is feral cannabis seeds....


    Much like the komodo dragon, it has the ability to produce pronogenitically (can't recall the term, something like that, Skunky whats the word I'm looking for here???), basically it can produce fertile eggs without any male fertilization. But it can't continue to do this because the male genes are required to insure genetic diversity, and therefore sustain the species. A pronogenesis (???) offspring can not produce another generation without male fertilization.


    If you want to help preserve the cannabis genepool, forget about crossing hybrids and polyhybrids.


    Gather as many landrace cultivars as you can, and use open pollenation to preserve all the genetic traits contained within the line. I am working on Thai and South African landraces atm. Chinese is in the wings.


    Before I do any selection for breeding, all the males will go into a chamber with all the females for a massive orgy. This insures all the variety available in the line is preserved. It makes selection much more difficult if using the offspring, however it preserves the line. With the amount of interbreeding and polyhybrid crosses running ramant across the globe, this is the only long term solution to saving the building blocks of our beloved plant.


    All this absynthe talk....now I want to go have a nice green fairy with a cigar...
     
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  10. PutTheKnivesOn

    PutTheKnivesOn Superspartaaaaa

    Ap, I was totally unaware of that stuff in relation to G, i knew his posts were some sort of shtick but didnt think there was more to it. Ah well, we live and learn.
     
  11. HappyHappyHighGuy

    HappyHappyHighGuy dreamer and misfit

    Landraces

    Seeds have already been spread throughout the world, so how can anyone be sure that what they are getting is a true landrace?


    Which breeders offer landrace seeds?
     
  12. Useless

    Useless Diogenes Reincarnate

    Go to the source. Really thats the only way to be 100% sure. Most landraces have been hybridized. So the source is where it's at. The farmer in thailand/africa/indonesia/asia/pakistan/afghanistan/india who has worked the same genetics for 30+ years.


    As for breeders, good luck. Very few (if any) offer landraces. I can only think of Afropips off the top of my head.
     
  13. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Gypsy claims to have a few asian landraces available. I pretty much trust this one.


    Arjan wants us to believe he is doing everything possible to get them into our hands. Sure he is.....sure. Looks good on vid and sells a ton of seeds tho.


    I recently found an old tin of old Mex red sat seeds from years ago. Decade old? Got them on a trip to the Barranca del Cobre. Wouldn't germ anymore last time I tried. Every trip I take anymore will entail finding local stock and bringing it home. Even then it's a crapshoot unless you personally know the grower.


    cheers,
     
  14. Useless

    Useless Diogenes Reincarnate

    I got a few tips for germing old seeds if you want Res.


    I am currently soaking 1982 Red Hair Skunk seeds. heh heh heh...27 y/o seeds, so I pulled all the tricks out for these babies...


    Arjan wouldnt know a landrace if sat on his face.


    Gypsy, well, do you know what landraces he is claiming?
     
  15. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Gypsy claims to have a Laotian sativa from Luang Prabang (N. Cambodia), Khmer Gold from southern Cambodia and a Thai sativa from Nong Khai. Can't speak personally for authenticity.


    World of Seeds has some claims of Pakistani, Afghan Kush (but claims "almost 100% indica". Um..ok) a Brazilian Amazon indica (sounds fishy to me), a Santa Marta Gold (again...listed as an indi/sat mix. How can this be a Columbian landrace?), a N. Moroccan Indica and a Ko Chang Thai sat landraces. As you can see, I have sincere doubts on the veracity of some of the claims.


    Makes me think of all the traveling I did in the late 70's and 80's and the local grown I smoked then. I could have a stable of dozens of S. and Central American landrace strains if only I had realized. Young and dumb. Nowadays it's usually an indica hybrid called by whatever local strain your looking for.


    Any tips on old seed germination would be enormously appreciated. These where special seeds from a very special experience and I can vouch for authenticity. Was able to see the actual grow plot and toke with the farmer. It was the reason I started toking and growing again. I sincerely doubt that I could ever get my hands on them again without getting killed in the process.


    Thnx Useless. Perhaps you would be so kind as to post up a thread with your tricks? Hey...what do you think of Real Seed Co.?
     
  16. Useless

    Useless Diogenes Reincarnate

    Sure Res. I will try to get to it tonight.


    Brazilian Amazon indica? WTF? Indica's wont do very well in a tropical environment. LMAO


    Santa Marta should be pure sativa as well.


    Dont know anything about real seed co. Never heard of them.


    Unfortunately I dont have any friends in Pakistan or Afghanistan. ROFL.
     
  17. OneHitterInOz

    OneHitterInOz A Fat Sticky Bud

    Yes, I agree that would be very Usefull. Useless, I saw some of your methods but can't remember them and can't remember where I saw em.


    I do have some older seeds (nothing major) that I couldn't get to pop, so I'd like to try some diff things.
     
  18. skunky

    skunky labor smoke'n lumberjack

    Because maybe they are heirloom seeds to whatever state they would be coming from:idea:
     
  19. HappyHappyHighGuy

    HappyHappyHighGuy dreamer and misfit

    Brazilian Indica

    I was thinking the same thing the other day when reading the World of Seeds Brazilian Landrace description...


    Mainly indoor/very good yield outdoor Race: Pure race obtained from brazilian forest Genotipe: 75% Indica High
     
  20. HappyHappyHighGuy

    HappyHappyHighGuy dreamer and misfit

    States regulate which plants can be imported. They don't allow strains to be imported that are local cash crops. I think the laws are to keep diseases from coming in and wiping out industries.


    Florida, for example doesn't allow oranges to be imported because that is their most important plant and a virus could cost billions in lost revenue.
     

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