Growing myths debunked (open discussion)

sure, there's plenty of potassium in yer piss bubb, but don't over-do it or the ammonia will burns 'em up.


Potassium Nitrate.. made from piss and shit. Just don't dispense t plants directly from manufacture source.

 

Of course you can make fertilizer out of your piss, and your shit for that matter. The thing is it NEEDS TO BE COMPOSTED! You don't just take a shit or piss around your plants and expect it to help, they are too hot and have too much bad stuff like ammonia still in them. Hippies have been using their own waste, COMPOSTED, as fertilizer for a LONG time, as I imagine humans have in general.

 

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Can't comment on how to compost waste products, as I typically steer clear of them.


But our urine can be applied without any composting! Therein, ironically enough, lies the problem that most people run into. The urea (nitrogen containing molecule) is of course water soluble, otherwise it would hurt real bad to pee. Water soluble = plant available, at least when it comes nitrogen.


Any quantity I attempt to name is a wild guess cuz a) I've never tried this and b) it will vary from person to person, and then from one piss to the next, since we don't piss constant concentrations of urea. But I might say dilute the average bladder of piss, from the average person's diet, with 5 gal of water maybe? Lol so funny to talk about pissing in a scientific manner.


And when it comes right down to it even if you could determine the exact safe amount of piss to dilute, it will fertilize plants but is not preferable in the case of MJ. I could be wrong but I believe the urea molecule is a NH2 (ammonia) derivative. Marijuana plants prefer nitrate based sources of nitrogen, hence .


This is getting way off topic but I've begun to wonder what came first - regarding a preference of nitrate vs ammonia - the plant, or its preference, and I'd love to look into this further when I get my hands on a plant physiology textbook. It's widely understood that *most* annuals, including flowering and fruiting annuals (so MJ) prefer bacterially dominated soils, and hence nitrate. But does nitrate somehow work out better for an MJ plant than ammonia? Or is it the case that due to MJ's preferred pH range, bacteria simply thrive much better than fungi, and there MJ in its natural environment just tends to receive more nitrates than ammonia?


May seem a pointless question at first, but upon further thought the answer has serious impacts for MJ cultivation. Oh well, time to go start taking down christmas decorations. Happy new year everyone!

 

Yeah, you go ahead and start peeing on your plants and see what happens. I will say that there is no grass growing on the spot I pee on from my deck every night while I smoke cigs, so that is a little proof to the contrary of non-composting.


There is another, main, reason you compost mammal waste: communicable diseases.

 

urine is sterile though. It's the bile/acids and ammonia that kills shit.


I can also testify that the gel from ice packs will kill a plant.


I wonder if Yeti sperm would do anything?:icon_confused:

 

LMAO!


I haven't been able to even finish reading this little rant after I saw this gem of a post...


We missed ya, Hankie!


GTWT


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that has nothing to do with composting or not that grass is dead from nitrogen burn, from going in the same spot, in my yard i have little green patches everywhere the dog takes a piss, cause he spreads it around

 

It's dogs in general, but all my Rottweilers, when they pick favorite spots, the earth is torched after just a few applications :fire:

 

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Hehe tisk tisk Lion... don't pick and choose some of what I wrote to quote and adjust Leme fix this for you

The process of composting is the breakdown of larger molecules into smaller ones. In the context of a horticultural discussion, this is beneficial because it strips larger complex molecules into smaller, plant available ones. One of the end products of decomposition that is of particular interest to us is a water soluble, plant available, form of nitrogen called ammonia. For all intents and botanical purposes, urea is ammonia (because it is still water soluble). So there is no composting of urine required. The nitrogen is already NH3, it's already water soluble, it's already plant available.

If you dilute urine enough, it becomes safe. I mean you don't buy that bottled synthetic shit from the hydro store then dump the whole thing on your plant, right? Likewise, we cannot straight piss on a MJ plant and expect that the piss comes out in a safe concentration (unless you pound two gallons of water beforehand, because then you're still diluting but you've just diluted before it passes through your system).


Having said that, adding your urine to compost will also dilute it to safe levels due to the nitrogen cycle. However, the urine is NOT being composted. It is being used by the microbes - to synthesize their biological building blocks, to grow and multiply (precisely because it is immediately available in the form of NH3) - that are composting other, larger more complex molecules.


In summary:


1) Urea is two NH2 molecules with a carbonyl (Carbon and Oxygen joined by a double ionic bond) group attached. This functional group, due to the nature of double bonds, is highly volatile and reactive. Therefore the urea molecule may be viewed simply as ammonia for our horticultural purposes.


2) Urea dissolved in water is urine.


3) Urine is pH neutral, barring our ingestion of extreme amounts of non-neutral pH foods.


4) Ammonia, in any of its forms, does not need to be composted. It is already water soluble and plant available.


5) You can theoretically dilute urine down to plant safe concentrations (but good luck figuring out the ratio of urine to water, due to crazy variance)


6) You can use urine to ignite a stubborn compost pile, just as you might use blood meal. They are both essentially a power punch of nitrogen in a small molecule, that is very easily accessed by microbes.


HAPPY NEW YEAR!

 

Sooooo you guys r sayin for me to piss on my plants and things will be awesome after???? weird:5eek:

 

(sorry for being rude and speaking with my mouth full, but it's rammed full of words put there ^^) Crete you really are a lil fucker sometimes :wtf?:

 

Well, u guys gotta get this strait cuz I REEEEEEALLY gotta piss and I dont wanna waste it, plus my girls need watering PRONTO!


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lol!


Way to jump in and ruin our fun, Res :-(

 

man this thread is just a few steps away from turning into a German porn session