Evolution

Animals and plants adapt to their environment. No beliefs about it, proven and it happens on a daily basis. Spider Mites will adapt to chemicals; not all of them, but the ones that do will be super strong compared to the ones that don't. The same goes for viruses.


You can "believe" what you want but 10k plus years of agriculture proves you wrong no matter how many times you have grown a marijuana plant, read the news, gone to school, or whatever.


And I can do a mile in 4. I am not sure what that has to do with evolution, but I can do it, as a smoker, and still had chickenpoxs....


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Seriously, I didn't mean that as an insult or anything, but if you believe that spider mites can't adapt to chemicals then you are plain wrong. There is no debate about that among scientists or most religious folks. There is no debate; It happens daily. I can prove it in less than two months with three generations of almost any species.


And I am proud to say that I can do a mile in 4:10 at my best, yes.

 

You could just pour straight bleach on everything and it would die.


Basically what you are saying is you do not think spider mites can survive the treatments through selective adaption, which is different from evolution?

 

I love them and welcome them in my yard.

 

Well, they can and do. So do flees, ticks, rodents, and other pests. There is no debate here; species adapt to chemicals in their food/environment supply. The weak die and the stronger ones live on and are immune to the chemicals. There is no two ways about it. This isn't something that NEEDS to be researched; it has been and is common knowledge to most growers of ANYTHING for thousands of years.

 

Its just like worming horses. If you use say ivermectin you must rotate the next worming with pyrentel or fenbendazole as you never kill all the worms and the ones that are left start to become tolerant to the ivermectin from the very first worming.


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AzaMax will indeed kill spider mites. However I am not convinced that with AzaMax alone you can completely wipe out a large infestation. I tried. At first it worked pretty well. I treated and it seemed as though they were gone but without repeated and continual treatments they always came back given enough time to breed and get a population going strong they would infest again.


Through the use of a varied organic treatment schedule as well as a pretty potent chemical pesticide (which I used responsibly at according to the directions) I have eradicated the problem completely whereas by using Neem or AzaMax alone they would come back. I haven't treated for any insects in quite some time. Not one mite on my plants.


All I'm saying is that while YES AzaMax will kill them and apparently according to you it's ALL YOU NEED, most growers will agree that a varied pesticide schedule is much better than using one product continually. Also anything that has to be repeated infinitely to keep the problem from coming back is not a true solution.

 

I'm gonna agree with lion and RR, any animal or plant given enough time and exposure will adapt to any environment it is put in. Just look at the Galapagos, there are animals and plants there that are no where else in the world, they had to have evolved and adapted. Same thing with bacteria and viruses. I read an article about super influenza viruses that have become immune to the most potent antibiotics available. So, ya, living things will adapt to keep the species intact.

 

You actually have a great point with what works today opposed to a thousand years from now. The problem is that insects adapt and reproduce in months, not thousands of years.

 

What does living there have to do with 'evolved and adapted'? I don't see the connection.

 

Just thought I'd add,


sometimes species don't adapt to changes in their environment and they go extinct or suffer reduced populations. Also, it's not really weak or strong per se. It's random genetic mutations during the reproductive process very occasionally producing a genetic change that coincides favorably with the environment, whether that environment is changing or not.

 

Well it made sense in my head. :jj:

 

Good example: cockeroach. Those suckers have adapted to everything.


Virisuses. Well just look at flu shots. They have to keep changing because the flu keeps changing. Even faster than they can keep up with it.


As for spidemites and gnats, if something seems like it's working for you, you should only need to treat once or twice. If you have to keep app the treament, it ain't working. A small population should be able to be wiped out. An infestation? That will need a lot of doses with a variety of pesticides.


So to sum up Lion's comment: fact.

 

Everything.


Darwin's theory of natural selection began there with the finches which were all thought to have come from a single species. It is an extrodinarily harsh environment that required constant adaptation. Before Darwin, everyone believed species were static. Usually in any given area the number of species is larger than the amount of available food source and competition arrises. A mutation will happen within 1 species to give it a boost over the others. On the Galapogos there was no large species population to act as a buffer for competition so many individuals were able to adapt and breed into new species. 13 finches came from 1 in the most famous example of natural selection and evolution in existence really.

 

Viruses are immune to all antibiotics

 

Those islands have animals that are only found there and have adaptation that are only useful there. Therefore they have evolved to suit their environment.

 

I think any species has to adapt and change, but that don't necessarily prove evolution. I think where Darwin fucked up was not saying "GOD" started it:5eek: