Want some suggestions for some covert ops with my dad

Ok, my 75 YO dad has had really bad shingles for almost 3 years now. There are a couple of spots on his back and shoulder that are sharp stabbing stinging pains on a regular basis - he can't hardly even wear a shirt, even soft silky ones, for more than about 10 minutes.


He's tried everything in the book to combat it. Medicine, alternative therapy, acupuncture, etc etc and nothing at all works. Nothing.


Problem is, my parents are very conservative christians. MJ has a pretty bad stigma for him, morally. He's a smart guy, and I've talked to him about trying it before, and he'll seem to chew on it for about a minute, and then shuts down. It's a moral issue for him. I've also talked to my mom about it - she lives a very conservative life, but she's very open minded and accepting - she knows that I smoke, and she's cool with it. I just talked to her about my dad, and how he's doing (terrible) and she wants to try to sneak something in on him (MJ). She thinks if it's something that actually stops or minimizes his pain, he would accept it. That's how bad his pain has gotten.


Soooo..... my mom is going to work with me on this, but I wanted to ask you guys some options for undetectable ways of introducing it. I have some bhang still, and I'm about to chop, so I'll have a bit to work with, for cooking, etc.


What are my options here? Any suggestions?


GTWT


:XXhippylove:

 

No matter the intentions, that is HIGHLY immoral.

 

One of the first times I smoked I got a panic attack really bad. My heart beat really really fast and I felt like absolute crap. Really felt REALLY bad, really out of control. I understand why you want to give him some, I really do. I watched my aunt die in horrible pain for months and she would not try it. It is hard to watch....but if he does not want it you should not give it to him. He could flip out like I did. It is really strong for people who have not used before, especially edibles. With his age a panic attack would not be pleasant or even safe. Especially if he does not even know why he is having the attack, or how long it will last....Don't do it.

 

Cmon dude, open your mind a little bit.....your not the morality police and im sure she already feels horrible, don't make it worse than it is.


GTWT....id try a low dose cookie first and watch n see how he reacts, then I'd definitely let your mom, his wife explain where the relief is coming from. Obviously, sneaking it in isn't exactly "cool" but sometimes there's relief where you don't expect it to be. After some progression ,maybe he'll come around more. I did somewhat the same thing with my grandma and Aunt who were BOTH dying from cancers and the hospice nurses all agreed what I was trying to do and talking about was purly beneficial for them....one nurse even agreed that it had given my aunt some of her life back again, increased her appetite and just put a damn good smile on her face..

 

Open my mind to slipping someone drugs without their knowledge?


I am not the morality police, but I am telling you not to do this. That is a horrible abuse of someones trust and it is simply wrong to give an adult a drug they do not want. WRONG. DO NOT DO IT.

 

I asked my mom several times about how she think he would feel. They have been married for a long, long time, and I'm the kind of person that wouldn't push something on someone. I very specifically asked her 'is he gonna flip a shit when he finds out?' And her very distinct answer was 'if it helps, NO.'


I was planning on a very very low dose. I'm quite aware how edibles are different, and I'm quite aware of how it can affect someone, especially someone who doesn't use substances, even the legal ones. I assure you, I have thought about this for a long time, and my mom and I had a very long discussion about it. She and I are both very intelligent people, and we wouldn't do something like this without a lot of thought, as well as information.


Yes, it is a moral issue. That's why I have talked to her so much about it. She knows him better than anyone, and that's why I asked what she thought about it. As I said before, I've talked to him about it on more than one occasion, and though he doesn't immediately say 'hell yeah, let's do it' he also doesn't shut it down immediately too, which (knowing how he is) that means it's in his brain, and he's been chewing on it.


GTWT


:XXhippylove:

 

It has nothing to do with being smart or how much you thought about it. YOU DO NOT give people drugs without their knowledge. Despite the MAJOR MORAL issue, you have NO IDEA how he will react, more so at his age and in conjuncture with his disease and any other medication he is taking.


This also is NOT a bad person/good person issue. I understand your want to help your father, but that does NOT justify what you are thinking about doing.

 

Lion, I appreciate your opinion, and I know where you're coming from. You and I, for the most part, see pretty eye to eye when it comes to personal liberty and rights and the like.


However, I didn't come here for advice on what to do - I've already made that decision. I came here for advice on how to do it.


If you don't want to help me in that manner, then don't.


GTWT


:XXhippylove:

 

I am not going to help you, no. I however know that this is SO wrong, I will keep posting on how wrong it is.


Just because you've made up your mind doesn't mean you can't change it. You are going to lose all trust from your father in this hard time for him at the worse. At the best it MIGHT help his pain.

 

Have to agree with Lion.


It's bad juju.


Peace.....

 

I think part of the stigma with older people and mj is the smokeing aspect of it. Ya know hippies, drug addicts ect it has been drilled into the older generation for a long time. A better approach would be to explain to him about the use of oils and there medical results. I think trying to educate or reprogram his thinking will go along way with him trying some low dose edible this way and he wont think he is smokeing or doing anything wrong.


It took around 30 years for my mom to try her first joint. She was 84 when she tried it the first time. I still couldnt get her to smoke it in front of me as I rolled it up for her. But she smoked it in private.


t6

 

I disagree with the whole immorality argument. I think that in some cases it's necessary to step outside of what would be the normal "morality box" in order to help someone that is unwilling to help themselves due to some silly stigma that was drilled into people's heads through propaganda campaigns by the government that in itself is immoral. If we were talking about dosing a parent or other person who was apposed to marijuana strictly for the purposes of seeing what would happen or for our own amusement then sure it's not a moral thing to do. In this instance it's a completely different scenario and I believe that GTWT has weighed the possible benefits against the possible consequences and believes that she is acting morally and in her father's best interests. I'm perfectly okay with it. Personally I doubt that there is any severe paranoia or panic reaction.


I would recommend a light dose of course. In order for it to be undetectable (no ganja flavor or smell) I'd recommend working with some BHO or Bubble hash for the project. Far less of the terpines and plant flavor come through when cooking with hash. Or if you can get some Rick Simpson Oil (Essentially Naphtha/ISO Extracted Hash Oil) would work fine as well. You should try and incorporate it into something that he normally eats. It could be put into almost anything. BBQ sauce, Spaghetti Sauce, Baked Goods etc. Decide what sort of item to put it in and try it out for yourself first, that way you can get a better idea of how strong a dose to give. Always start out with a very low dose. So for instance if you were to use BBQ sauce. Try out a Tablespoon of the sauce and see how high you get. If it's mild then half that dose for your dad, if it;s strong then dilute it down again and try it again. Once you figure out the dosage then go ahead with your plan. Do a light dose and see what happens. I speculate that it will help quite a bit with Shingles since the virus hides in the nerve endings and MMJ has been proven to help with nerve related pain and disorders.


Show him the Rick Simpson Video, "Run From The Cure" and maybe that will help to show him that the medicinal aspects of the plant can be gained without smoking a thing. This thread has a radio interview with Rick Simpson as well as the full movie.


Good luck with it all. I hope you can open your Dad's eyes and help him with his pain issues.

 

NOT doping someone has nothing to do with some moral man made machine. You dont do that to people, more so someone who specifically said no to that drug. Also it is highly illegal to do so. It is no ones place to choose what goes into another adults body. If we should have the legal right to choose what we put in our body, then her father has a right to choose what goes into his.

 

You've made your opinion heard Lion. I maintain my stance on the issue. She already said she has made up her mind on whether or not to do it. I'm trying to help her do it correctly. Just trying to help answer some of GTWT's questions.

 

Drugging someone without their knowledge is just wrong. Period.

 

There is no correct way to drug someone without their knowledge.

 

I appreciate everyone's input. I really do. I still haven't 100% decided, and the reality is if mom ends up deciding not to, I'm not going to push the issue again.


I understand it's a moral issue - for some, it's right up there with abortion, etc. But as ras pointed out, even if you disagree with someone, what's worse, helping them as you can so they don't do something really harmful, or just spouting your hate/disagreement? I'm pretty sure everyone here knows how well complete abstinence, so to speak, actually works with anyone. I came here for help. I don't want to cause my dad harm, or put him at risk. I'm trying to be smart about it, and weigh my options, I HAVE thought about this a lot. I'm sure my mom will too, now. Like I said, she could decide against it.


I have a few months before I'll even be able to make anything to send her. In the meantime, I have more time to think about it, as does she. We both may end up talking to him about it again.


GTWT


:XXhippylove:

 

So if someone decides to rob someone and asks my opinion on the best way to do it, I should give them advice on how to do it correctly so they don't do more harm instead of discouraging them from doing it?


The issue isn't doing something the right or wrong way, or doing the least amount of hard. The issue is you SHOULD NOT do it in the first place.


Like I said, I am going to keep going with this opinion. Yall can keep with the come backs to justify this all you want, but the three of you who think this is OK are just plane wrong in this situation. There are very few situations where I say it is black or white and this is one of them. There is NO justifiable reason to slip someone drugs who does not want them, has in their right mind expressed that, and them self have a moral objection to doing so just to make your own pain in the situation lessen. That is SELFISH. You wouldn't be doing it to help your dad, you would be doing it to make your self feel better about his suffering.

 

Your kids well being is legally and morally in your hands. They are not adults and medical issues are decided by their parents or guardian and no one else. That is NOTHING like drugging an adult in their right mind. Not even close to the same.