fuuuuuuuuuuuck! 3 outa 12 look good the others look dead... wtf is he doing wrong?... he cut the clones and then cut them in a slant under water then dipped in rooting gel by grow tech or someshit... then put them in the cubes 12 cubes in a gladware container filled with water to like the top of the cubes with the air line in the container... now we took it off cause its probbly not doing ****... and the light is a 400 watt and its like 2 - 3 feet above the clones and 1 foot over the other plants on a 18/24 cycle... waiting for the rest of the plants to show sex so we can take more clones...so far 1 female and 1 male...from that 1 female those 12 clones came out... anyways need some advice...also using flora nutes so anyone that can tell me how to use these ferts better feel free to show me.... (Edited by TheBubblerMan at 8:05 pm on Aug. 14, 2004)
Actually wannabe....your wrong! I have rooted my clones that way hundreds of times. Ive always had 100% success rate. Although....I disagree with putting the cubes in that deep of water. Mine sit in about a 1\4 inch of water. Changed every other day.....humidity dome too!
i have a question i was thinkin of doing my clones in soil then putting them into the bubblers... would that shock them or is it ok to root in soil then transfer to hydro?
o yeah and hey chump? yes u can use N E medium u want as long as u transplant into bigger rockwool..... use peat it works WONDERS in hydro + hey tib. if u do it my way u dont have to change the water the whole time....... (Edited by Growannabe at 12:21 pm on Aug. 15, 2004)
im takin new clones... anyone know of a better way to clone for hydro? im about to take a container and just put serrand wrap (how ever u spell that ****) top cover it and stick the clones in there with an air pump to give it that bubbler effect... u think clones will root better dipped in water with the air pump instead of the rockwool cubes?... damn but after they root, am i supposed to just stick them in the pots fill with grow rocks? or stick the rooted clones in the rockwool cubes then put with growrocks?.... (Edited by TheBubblerMan at 6:36 pm on Aug. 15, 2004)
"doesnt the medium get soggy? this promotes rot (#1 cause of clonefailure)" Obviously not....I get 100% survival rate! And I believe grodan IS spun rockwool! (Edited by Tiberon at 7:13 pm on Aug. 15, 2004)
Tib's, I had some reservations when I read the discription of how Dude was going at it in His earlier post. I've seen where others go at it with standing fluid in the tray, and I know it can work, but I gotta' question. Have you alway's cloned that way, or did you tweak your way too it? Your roots in that pick look fine, and I know others run it that way, so I'm not chopping, but I gave that way a go several times, and I got nowhere. What I'm getting at, is IF you tweaked your way to where your at, do you think it MAY be prudent, to get it together in the "classic" mode? Like I said, there's NO doubt you got a system, as I have ONE way I'm good at. If I get off my known system, I got nothing. For Me, I had MONTH'S of dead tips, before I started getting somewhere. Perhaps, BubMan, you IF you have the luxury, let your moms flesh out with extra tips, and try running 2-3 trays, in different modes of cloning. As in the "wet" system, as well as the classic style. And see where you get. I would resist going right to soil, as the dome is a BIG help. Dude, you CAN'T be as dumn as me, I WON'T tell you how long it took me to get my system down. Sooner or later, you'll get it, and then, you'll look back, and wonder why it took so long. Just keep filling those trays, till' you get something, that's what I did. Keep trying, study, relax.
i just took a gladware container and made 24 holes in the lid...cut 2 small holes to feed the dual air pump lines through the bottom of the container.... u think this will be a good bubbler to root the clones?? right now its drying cawz i used that glue so no water leaks and i glued the 2 lines to the middle of the container....
Well, look'it. I myself, grew my plant's in a bubbler system. I loved it! I tried to clone, with something like it. Mind you, when I did, cloning was new to me,too. It didn't work for me. I read and read, and I went with the cubes, under a dome,"oldschool." I STILL sucked at it! I am VERY comfortable doing it this way now!! I expect them to bite. The ones that don't, are the runts I throw away, or give to others to run for themselve's. If I were you, I would flesh up, and groom your moms for cuttings. Clone GOOD tips, not just any old tip. I would keep a log of notes, and just keep plugging away, 'till you get it together. Once you get it, you will only get better. One advantage, is from doing the "reps" I can look at the cuts, and "see" if they are doing well, or not. If your going to go bubbler, and it may be cool, I would run a tray oldschool right next to it. If ALL the conditions are CORRECT, they take real easy. You always hear that, but its true. I used to hate hearing that, but its true. I soak my grodans, 24hrs, then repeat, with a stain of Liquid Karma in it. Squeeze, and then wick up, some GH-3 way cutting recipe, with some BcuzZ root in it, and squeeze again. If it drips when you pick it up, its wrong!! I cut my tips rather long, and I wait till the tip is rather larger around. Not dark green, but NOT tiny little cuts. I cut the leaves in HALF. This tells the cut, to make roots. DON'T leave too many leafs on, 2-3 is PLENTY. If you leave too much, the tip stresses, as it can't decide, if it needs to root, or vegg, and then it stresses. Make your LAST cut, with a strerile razor/exacto. I like to do this in a glass of COLD water. This keeps air out of the cut. Sometimes, I tweak the surface of the cut a little more open, just a tad. Dip JUST the cut part, in the gel. Many will dip the cut way to much into the gel, and it will kill it. Just cover the open stem. Drip a lil' gob into a spoon, to aviod contaminating your gel. Before you insert, use a small sterile tool, I use a screwdriver, to insure the hole is ready to go. Insert JUST till you feel it touch the base. BE SURE IT DOSEN'T FOLD. Lightly mist, with a MILD solution, VERY mild with Liquid Karma. CHECK THE PH OF THE SOLUTION. ALWAYS,ALWAYS PRE-CHECK ANY SOLUTION YOU ARE GOING TO USE ON YOUR PLANTS. DOUBLE THAT,FOR CUTS. Even the mister bottle. One **** up, can kill them before they can bite down. Close the dome, have the flouro. as close as you can get it, over the dome. They are great for this. Have enough tips in the tray, so that the humidity is high inside. When ever you see the dome steamy, you have enough moisture in there. Avoid fucking with them, if you can, for 2-3 days. Do check, to see if theres condensation. If not, try to mist the inside of the dome, not the tips, at this stage. Moving the cut is not cool, at all. You can TEAR early roots, which are like "fuzz" or mold, and lose them. The jist, is to keep the humidity high, while not letting the grodans be to wet. After a couple few days, the tip of the plant, will send down a hormone, to the cut you made, and push out new roots. Your job, is to not make this harder for them. DON'T pick them up and look, per reasons given. You will know when they take, you wont miss out. I ONLY use Liquid Karma, as a food for them, period. I did, if you recall, wick up some GH and the root stimulator. I save that in a milk jug, to give to the ones that "show." The liquid Karma, is in another milk jug, MILD. This, whats in the block, is PLENTY. Too much, and you fucked em'. After 3-4 days, you can crack the lid for a bit each day, and/or take it off, for a SHORT time, and let them get some air. Don't freak, if the sag a tad. Mist the dome, put it back on, and they will perk up. Don't pick them up. You will get a clue, that they are biting, when the grodans seem to be going drier after about a week. Good sign. Dont pick em up. I gently bloop a little of the karma solution onto the blocks, with a turkey baster, or an old mustard bottle, etc. I look into mine, TWICE a day. I'd rather give em' JUST enough fluid, to get them to the next check, than flood em, and, **** em. Give As little as you can. Just enough, no more. If they are drippy, you fucked em'. Gently squeeze it out. At this point, slowly ween em off the humidity, as well, expose em' to more air, over time. When they take, the block will have roots all over. You wont miss it. Dont wait too long, have your next set of grodans ready to go, real soon, or the cuts shock, and "stops" I prep my big ones, the same way. At this point, I ween em' off the LK, and NOW use up the rest of that jug of GH stuff. If you have healthy, vibrant moms, make GOOD cuts, and dont **** them, they will serve you. Start with MORE than you need. If you have to wait, till your moms produce GOOD tips, wait. At first, a few will make it, then, over time, more and more will. At the same time, YOU will learn to "see" whats going on, and refine your skills. The bottom line? It would seem, that right now, your attempting to learn TWO skills at once, bubble cloning, AND cloning. I tried just that, when I first got into it, and like I said, I'm kinda' dumn!, so that's just me? If you can get to where you don't make it harder for them than need be, they will HAVE to start to take. You got me wanting to try bubble style Kung-Fu again, just to see If my luck would be any better this time. You know, Tib's can "see" his plants this way, at all phases. I've seen some of his pics, Jesus! MEGA Grande'!! to write a damn book. There is a GOOD step by step pictured post in the FAQ here, too. Don't give up!!! If MY dumn ass got it, YOU have to be able to!!!! I'm gonna' try the bubb's next tray!!! A little thrill seeking going on here!!! Peace!!!
Fireman Well...I cant say I have a system set in stone, but I can tell ya some of the things that are MUSTS to get good roots. One thing to keep in mind is simpler is better IMO. I fill my clone tray up with water(ph=6.5) to the top at first and then drop my cubes in there to soak it up. Once they are saturated, I take a pen(something of same diameter) and widen out the original holes in the grodan....I dip the pen in the rooting GEL and then goop up the hole on the grodan cube. A slice at 45 degrees with a CLEAN razor works best for myself....once cut, I then IMEDIATLY dip it in the gel(which is in a lil dish off to the side). From the dish straight in to the cubes. NOW....This is the part where ya treat er like a real woman.....you cant just ram it the cube....ya got to ease er in....nice and slowly...yeah...just like that baby....oops gettin lil to involved here I find that if you ease her in there you dont crush the end of the cuttin as it nears the middle part of the cube. Once that is complete and Ive takin my clones....I empty out the tray till there is about 1\4 to 1\2 of an inch of standing water left....slap a dome an that bad boy....and 7-10 days later....waaaalaaa. Keep in mind that the water gets old....so change it every other day or even once a day. For a jumpstart too....ill throw a heating pad under the tray to get the ball rolling....once I feel that the babies are givin resistance on the pull test(growin roots) i pull the pad out. No holes in my humidity dome...I just remove it for 5 min or so each day to change water or to let them breath. Personally...I go with clonex rooting gel....Olivias if I cant find clonex. Spendy stuff....but a lil goes a long way...ive been on the same TINY bottle for close to 2 yrs...and am now just runnin out....local hydro stores round here charge about 25 bones for a small ass jar....BUT ITS WORTH IT. The only time I had clone failure was when I used the powder....I believe that stuff just rubs right off when you put her in the cube. If everything goes yellow.....Its normal to an extent....chop off dead growth....Ive even chopped of all the leaves except for the remianing crown at the top....this focuses energy to creating roots rather than supporting half dead leaves. MIND YOU, all my clones look like DEATH on the 3-4 day(normal in my case)....but I always just wait....and eventually they show roots around day 7-10. I hope some of this helps
Yeah, I forgot the angle of the cut. Oppps! Like I said, Tibs. When I first tried going your style, I was first timing trying to clone. I'm very sure, my difficulties, were centered around being new. And a little dumn. There is no doubt, your Kung-Fu is great. Like I was saying, I'm wanting to try this technique again, to see IF it was my lack of Kug-Fu training, or, am I STILL to dumn to clone that way? Either way, I MUST defend the honor of my Masters DOJO. I love cheesey Martial arts films. Look up, "Master of the f guiletine." That flick will SLAY you laughing, with some tast cake, some friends, and some pizza, and its a PARTY!!
GW,, you still givn out bogus advise? you dont know **** CHUMP. stay in school. bubbleman, dont take advise from someone whose plants are all fucked. the most important point for rooting no matter what the rooting medium or METHOD, is the roots have access to oxygen. rockwool sucks (i think). its like asbestos. use a rooting hormone. if you must have the rockwool sitting in water, only let it sit in a shallow area. if the end of the cutting is in the water your cutting wont callus and it will yellow and die. nearly all cloning attempts fail due to EXCESSIVE LIGHT levels and low temps. use fluorescents and a heating pad, since roots develop slightly faster with bottom warmth. also try to slightly scrape the side of the cutting before sticking. this will promote vigorus rooting. tibs and GF posts were right on as i too have a 100% success rate and im not tryn to step on their toes, but it took alot of trial and error to fine tune all of our systems. now i switched from rockwool to rapid rooter starter plugs, their air to water retention properties are right on for me. i also use a window seed germinator for my babies. you know the kind that are about two feet long and 6 inches wide. it comes with an inside tray with individual spots for my plugs, and then you set that down into the tray with the humidity dome (on top of the water). it keeps the cuttings outta the water and the heat pad below warms the water and creats condensation. theyre perfect. look for em at your local nursery if this sounds like it could be your "BAG". sorry tibs and GF if i repeated something in your replys, i didnt want to read your mile long reply.
