These are Sam the Skunkman's Old School Thai Haze X Skunk 1's (seed boutique freebies) that I germed just in case the Nirvana Four Ways didn't work out. Of the Four Ways that germed, all ended up male. I have no idea what is going on with these plants. I don't see any balls, but I am also not seeing white pistils. They are notoriously slow flowering, like 12 to 20 weeks, so I don't know if that is a factor. Also, they are supposed to be very sensitive to pH problems which I screwed the pooch on big time. I think pH is under control now so I am just hoping for the best. I have one bag seed (mexican sativa I think) budding that looks nothing like these. Any input greatly appreciated. They are about three weeks into 12/12 at this point.
.02 Huh...I can't tell by those pics..:icon_confused: ..I think you're gonna have to stick it out a bit longer?... :icon_confused: :qbluewacko:
I couldn't find any pics to back it up, but it seems to match the description of too much N.: delayed flowering, curled and clawed new growth, some leaves are dark green, plus I have some Calcium lockout. Less nutes for these ladies. Thanks for the help. I was no where close.
I'm growing in Coco coir and have been giving them Monkey Juice Bloom since switching to 12/12 about three weeks ago. The top growth has been looking a little too green in addition to being curled and clawed. I'll take some new pictures tonight that aren't under the HPS so the color should show up better.
Just some questions to get the discussion going: 1. What are your temps like? 2. What light are you using, wattage wise, I think you said it was an HPS? 3. A good rule of thumb when problems start to arise is to go ahead and flush, tried that yet? Good luck, hopefully we can help you out, more so with the new pics.
to the horror show Here are a couple new pictures. Temps are 82F at canopy-level. 72F in the tent around soil level. Lights are 400w HPS Yeah, I've flushed. I had some bad pH problems and then followed up by over feeding I think. I'm just curious what you think their chances are. Can they recover? Are they destined to herm, if not doing it already?
Now, I will admit that this is a very simple idea, and not always the best solution to all problems, but: I am bad at figuring out nutrient problems, I admit that fully. So whenever I see the signs of ANYTHING, I first try to correct it (give it a few water cycles), if my guess isn't working how I "think" it should, I flush like a mother fucker for twice the time, and then continue with what I would consider "normal" feeding for my grow. My basic point: If you can't figure it out, flush till you feel you have a clean slate with which to throw nutes on top of. Neutralizers are always in my mind too, great proponent of lime. (I've yet to grow with an hps, however, seeing the affects of a nine bulb cfl grow with above 80 temps on the plants, I would also guess that an even HIGHER intensity bulb would make it worse for the plants at the same temp vs. the CFL/Floro, though I doubt that is your full problem, but obviously a concern.) Praentheses aside, and at a second look, it really does look like heat problems to me, but I refer back to my problem of diagnostics. Good luck.
Heat hasn't been a problem for awhile. I can keep my hand above the tops very comfortably. Any second opinions?
It's getting hot in here..... I too, think the heat has something here...you said heat hasn't been a problem for awhile now, how long ago was it a problem? And, what about air circ? Also agree with flushing factors...trial and error, some TLC and patience...you got just as good a shot as any...weed can withstand a lot of abuse....
if u had ph issues n overfeeding issues then what ur seeing could be the aftermath of that, but i go with the lion, flush the shit out of it n start over with the right amount of food n the right ph. then ull be on track, i wouldnt be too worried bout ur temps although lower would be better. as the plant perspires to keep cool it draws in water from the roots. more so than normal. and since ur soil has nutrients the plant wouldnt have in the wild it ends up over eating. so in the end lower temps help the plant regulate water/food intake. but still if ur plants have been good at those temps in the past then run with the flush n start fresh plan. are u using new food? just a thought...if its different than what ur used to or if its old maybe?
Hazes can take up to 8 weeks to show flower formation under 12/12 lighting. You can speed that up a bit by going to 11/13 or even 10/14. Tropical Sativas do not like any N once they start to flower. The also prefer really low levels of P and K. Like about 25% of recommended dosage. Excess N as well as excess P can cause the ram's horn effect you are seeing. They are finicky when it comes to PH. If in soil, keep it at 6.5 or so. Dont let it get over 7 or under 6. 81 degrees F is a cool temp for tropical sats. I usually run sat's at 85 and rh of 70-80 if not using CO2. The problem you are having is that Tropical Sativa's are a completely different animal than indica's or indi/sat hybrids. I did not see what medium you are using. Organic soil, coco, what?
Thanks Useless--I knew strain had something to do with it. Only the hazes are doing this. I had heard about the fickleness with pH but didn't know about the N and P issues. They are growing in coco. I've just been giving them plain ph'ed water the past couple days. I had been feeding them Monkey Juice Bloom A+B (A=4-0-2) (B=1-4-2) and they are the only nutrients I have at the moment. Do you think I will have to get something new to make it through?
Well, in coco for hybrids I use a modified GH flora series (3 part) recipe anyway. I use 0-6-9 ml/gal of grow-micro-bloom. I have not done a haze in coco, but if I were going to it would be 0-4-8 of the GH 3 part. You could probably do pretty well just by dropping the A part of the A+B formula. That is just a guess since I havent done the nutrient calculations. But based on the NPK ratios you provided, you dont need the A part, because its giving you waaay too much N. PH for a haze in coco 6.0-6.5 seems to give the best results I have seen from others grow reports. If you have flushed with ph balanced water, then I would use just the B half of your two part system for a week and see how she responds. Use your B at "normal dosage", just dont include the A. So if your recipe is for say 10ml A and 10ml B per gallon, just use 10 ml B per gallon. I'd bet she'll like you a lot more. You may even need to adjust that down some, but try it there first IMO. My hydro heart breaks when I say this, but Tropical Sats really prefer an organic medium with lots of beneficials more than any other method. They like an ammended soil so they can take only what they need. Force feeding them causes problems, as you are seeing now. If your Monkey Juice is organic, are you using tap water? Thats going to negate the beneficials. Which in turn wont help keep the PH in check. Hope that helps, and good growing to you.
