http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NO-MERCY-CO2-...758573160QQcategoryZ43555QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Anybody Used or know anything about these CO2 Tablets you can buy.
Co2 Hmm never used them but i don't see what C02 at the roots is going to do since the co2 is diffused into the leaves through the stomata on the under side of the leaf to produce sugars, unless it can be diffused into the roots with the other nutrients too and have spealized xyleom and pholem to facilitate this movement from the roots to leaves which could be possible. not sure but one thing for sure is that C02 moves much faster as a gas when in a gas as opposed to it being in water which if it is possible it will take longer for diffusion since the extra C02 will be re on the cohesion and transvaporization of water to get to where it needs to be, when you could have a C02 bottle like for paint ball that has a valve go get it filled at a welding supply store and just crack it open a little bit and put it in there with the plants, i rigged a line on mine an ran it to the bottom of the plants and so far appears to be working very good.
ive read your supposed to have the CO2 output point at the top of the plants, because Co2 particles fall, dont float up....? jus trying to help
Hmm i'm not really sure it is possible i guess i need to look and see which has the greater density CO2 or the surrounding air. but it would make since of it not really rising since it is a pretty heavy gas and has a somewhat slow effusion rate. i'm going to have to really look into that, but for now i'm gonna move the line and see if there is any difference.
Thanks Hey just wanted to say thanks GMaNxD i looked it up and Its density(co2) at 25 °C is 1.98 kg/m^3 which is almost 1.5 times the density of air at the same temperature and pressure and everything else. I just alwaysed figured that since the stomata are on bottom that the Co2 would rise and never thought to even question things like density. Good call!
Don't waste your $ on pills in the long run it will be cheaper to get a tank and the tank works, tha stuff is garbage.
i followed the recipe for cheap co2 in the faq last night and its producing today. not sure how well it'll work. has anyone used this? i have a couple of paintball co2 tanks but i really dont want to have to keep gettin them refilled if the yeast/sugar mix will work well.
i've been using the yeast and sugar in a 2litre bottle for a while right now i'm trying the paintball CO2 and see if it works oknot really sure if there is any difference but i've only be using it for like a few days.
Let me ask how the hell you're using "paintball" CO2? There's no way to diffuse it slow enough for it to be beneficial to the plant. Another good way to get CO2 to your plant inexpensively is to spray the leaves with carbonated water.
yeah there is. its simple there is a remote line on the bottle that has its own on and off valve. The bottle also has a pressure regulator on its twist valve cause i used to use the bottle with nitrous instead of C02. so i just crack the valve slightly and i mean slightly i get it to here it barely moves the needle and then turn back a little if you have the remote disattached you can just barely barely hear it leaking seems to be working fine, also the tank is a 3lb composite tank and i got it filled for free so i figured what the hell i'll give that a try see how long it lasts.
Sounds like it works... how long does one of those 3lb tanks last you? edit: I guess you haven't found out. When you do, let me know ok?
thats what i'm trying to find out, this is my first time trying something other than the yeast fermentation, so far about a week and it hasn't used much at all
The reason I ask is because I'm pretty close to a store that sells nothing but paintball shit. If I get one of those tanks, is there anything else I need to regulate the flow of CO2 coming from the tank, or is there a valve on the tank itself?
you'll prolly have to buy some sort of regulator. I have 1 tank that has a regulator on it but I don't know how common it is. For my other tanks I'm just gonna use the regulator off of my paintball gun.
well my tank came with a regulator(well guage) on it and a twist valve similiar to one for a water hose so you can just barely crack it openthen i just used this cheap remote line thats supposed to run from bottle to gun and it has just an on/off valve so that ones either open or closed, i think this with the 3lb tank is going to work better since i can also stop the flow of Co2 when the lights are off, which i couldn't do with the 2 litre bottles i tried clogging the line a few times but the pressure would just spit whatever out of the line when i would check on them the next day.
I know I'm new here, but c'mon guys. Paintball equipment? There are much better sources, for much less money. I've paid up to 20 bucks for a 5lb refill (and they couldn't even fill it all the way) at a paintball shop for a beer emergency on a sunday (I brew). I didn't see what the cubic area of your garden is, but usually.. usually.. you want a much larger tank than 3lbs. To achieve a 1500-2000ppm CO2 level in a garden off a 3lb tank, you'll be refilling it every other day if you are using it properly for the plants to even benefit from it. You could end up just wasting time and money. The simple availablity of extra CO2 does not mean the plants will use it well. C02 works best in a warmer environment, up to and beyond 90F where transpiration rates can go into overdrive and use that extra CO2 better. Water demands also increase along with a huge need for adequate ventilation. So, just adding some CO2 may sound like a good idea, but to really see the benefits of it, there is much more you should be considering, as well as installation an operation of the system, such as adjusting timers on your fans to vent all the air before the CO2 injection and not come on until 1 hour (or whatever) after enrichment is complete (in your air tight room). Unless you are fermenting (if you can stand the smell - you usually need quite of bit of it to raise the levels, and I mean A LOT) CO2 over the season of your garden isn't the cheapest thing you can do. Plan it's use well. As for a source of tanks/refills.. find a welding supply store. I pay no more than 10 bucks for even my little 5lber. Most people use a 25 or 50lb'er for a garden. I personally do not run CO2 for a few reasons.. the hassle is my primary problem, and I do not own a large enough tank. Everything happens so fast on a proper CO2 system that I can't keep up with the garden. The added light, heat, vent and water/nute demands are just too great in many cases, and things that you may normally have a day or so to correct suddenly MUST be corrected in a matter of a few hours or you will induce shock and stress.
well works fine for me and noe the bottle actually lasted 2-weeks just as long as my fermentation set up and i don't have to pay for refills i didn't buy the paintball equipment its old from when i was like 14 so it was just laying around anyway and also i run a small op with only 3-5 flwoering at a time and the space is really small 2 1/2X 1 1/2 X 4 1/2. also the Co2 it self raises the temp due to the fact it reflects light also it doesn't have to be up in the 90's to be benifical the plant just needs to have enough light to stimulate the plant for the need of more RUBP carboxylase for a higher cO2 uptake to produce more glucose for cellular respiration, sucrose for transport and overall more starch for storage, man i done iodine test on fans leaves i've clipped from two seperate gardens one with no CO2 supplement just what comes naturally in a seperate room and the ones from my current paintball can set up as well as the fermentation set up i did before, after boiling the leaves to break the cell walls then extracting the chlorophyl with Denatured ethanol and staining the can set up and the ferment setup are preyty close too hard to tell which is more purple/black to the naked eye wish i had a spec 20 to tell but yeah right! but the ones with no supplement after staining had a lot white spots left in the leaves as compaired to the two others which had almost no spots. since the are all from the same mother that leads me to believe that it is however benefical to the plant due to the amount of stored resources not to mention the plants with the c02 do look a little better. i don't have a CO2 meter to indicate the PPM in the rooms but just due to those easy observations leads me to believe it works fine for right now. but i do agree with you about the tranpiration rates but thats mainly due to the evaporation and the cohesion of water just pulling it through the plant quicker which will also add to your humidty. my room runs aroun 88* with the co2 and about 80-82 in the other room with the same lights and exhaust and everything but the CO2. sorry man not arguing or anything i'm a pretty analytical person i just thought i would give you what i got. well you sound like you would know the scientific method in which you results are a matter of experimentation 1) observe 2) hypothesis 3) experiment 4) theory/model 5) more experiment 6) edit 7) continue. not saying my shits right but it looks good so far i guess only time will truly tell if my previous results are worth hanging onto or not.
Sounds good to me! If you get results, that's great, and I'm sure you will get some kind of result.. but at the same time you have to ask yourself.. how much more yeild am I getting for all this extra effort and money? That is my #1 worry and always the deciding factor whenever I try anything new. I didn't mean to say that you are doing anything wrong. With that small of a space, 3lbs is fine I'm sure. I often come off somewhat .. brash.. online. It's not my intention. I just get to the point. Bottom line: do what you feel comfortable with.
