Great. A little more of our internet freedom going bye-bye.

(from AP Report/Yahoo News)

Report: US would make Internet wiretaps easier


WASHINGTON – Broad new regulations being drafted by the Obama administration would make it easier for law enforcement and national security officials to eavesdrop on Internet and e-mail communications like social networking Web sites and BlackBerries, The New York Times reported Monday.

The newspaper said the White House plans to submit a bill next year that would require all online services that enable communications to be technically equipped to comply with a wiretap order. That would include providers of encrypted e-mail, such as BlackBerry, networking sites like Facebook and direct communication services like Skype.

Federal law enforcement and national security officials say new the regulations are needed because terrorists and criminals are increasingly giving up their phones to communicate online.

"We're talking about lawfully authorized intercepts," said FBI lawyer Valerie E. Caproni. "We're not talking about expanding authority. We're talking about preserving our ability to execute our existing authority in order to protect the public safety and national security."

The White House plans to submit the proposed legislation to Congress next year.

The new regulations would raise new questions about protecting people's privacy while balancing national security concerns.

James Dempsey, the vice president of the Center for Democracy and Technology, an Internet policy group, said the new regulations would have "huge implications."

"They basically want to turn back the clock and make Internet services function the way that the telephone system used to function," he told the Times.


The Times said the Obama proposal would likely include several requires:

_Any service that provides encrypted messages must be capable of unscrambling them.

_Any foreign communications providers that do business in the U.S. would have to have an office in the United States that's capable of providing intercepts. (BUY YOUR SEEDS NOW, FOLKS, they're going to trace them soon!!!)

_Software developers of peer-to-peer communications services would be required to redesign their products to allow interception.

The Times said that some privacy and technology advocates say the regulations would create weaknesses in the technology that hackers could more easily exploit.


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:XXhippylove:

 

Yep welcome to the United States of Russia. They just keep taking away our rights a little at a time & we let them-Bud

 

Here is a story that is a bit more detailed, but still the same gist: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/us/27wiretap.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss


It won't affect seed companies. They are not a communications provider doing business in the US, but a retailer doing business in the US.


I doubt it will pass, more so with the way the net neutrality debate has been handled.


Either way (and I don't approve of the proposal WHAT SO EVER) it won't have much of an impact on us. They still have to have a warrant, and if they do you already screwed up somewhere.

 

"We're talking about lawfully authorized intercepts," said FBI lawyer Valerie E. Caproni.


So the Patriot act already kinda covers this and trust me they are 100% intercepting and have the key for blackberry and all other encrypted networks. They don't use this information in a court of law to find people guilty but they definitely use it to find what they need to know to get solid evidence to get a warrant if they are that type of agency. This makes interagency dependency less integral in investigations. Basically some doorkickeriner that works for the fbi doesn't have to call a hack at the nsa to do what needs done. The fbi can just contact the company administering the network and subpeona what they want...Steelcity

 

'all in the name of fighting terrorism' like they've really busted a lot of conspiring terrorists using these so-called "legal" avenues. IMO, the bad guys get busted like the growers get busted - someone rats, or sees something suspicious.


I still don't like it. The older i get the more Libertarian I get, and I just want to be left alone. for all i know, someone is looking at my GK emails and "fun" webcams to the BF back home. fuck.


GTWT

 

Ftw! Next


I get it now they get to use the info that's already been collected i guess it won't be a long now until people get pissed off that start fighting the people that are suppose to pass the laws we want not to make it easier to control use. I say we fire all politicians then we find everyday joe's to do the work sort of like jurry duty instead we call it government duty. then we go by the constitution this is it in any new laws that were not constitutional are thrown out and all amendments that have been made in the last 100 years should be scrutinized to see if they are truly constitutionaly correct

 

As a Libertarian, I couldn't agree with you more mtking. However, even the problem with that, assuming you could "reset" things, is the interpretation of the Constitution. Biggest example (for me, as a non-thiest...)


I for one do not think that our founding fathers intended on this country to be a Christian nation. Most of them were, but they were escaping religious tyranny, and wanted the new country to be able to dictate their own lives. PROBLEM IS that the christian ninnies out there *cough* tea party *cough* have taken "our creator" in the first line as to be read as the christian god, because that's what they call it. You know what? My creator(s) were my parents. Or maybe aliens. Whatever.


It's like fighting gravity by jumping, to undo what has been done, to un-regulate EVERYTHING. So instead they create more laws and regulations to "look out" for other laws that might be abused. And the cycle continues. Ugh.


Anyone up for running for Prez? Libertarian party? I'll vote for you.....There's a few level minded fellas on here I think could actually fit the bill....


kinda went off a different direction, oh well. I'm just fed up with this shit.


GTWT


:XXhippylove:

 

You are just nominating me because you think you can sit behind the scenes and control me. I'm no sock puppet, mister.


Once I get my hands on the reins of power, the tea party will be first against the wall.


:F-A-Q:


Any last words, you stupid tea monkeys?

 

although the tea party may have started libertarian it has been infiltrated by neoconservatives..... and the koch brothers....neither of which support the true ideals of libertarianism.....of course they make it sound good but unfortunately still support perpetual war.

 

:thumbs-up: just pissed off republicans, but still republicans, nonetheless.


And, just what about the tea party sounds good to you? egads. maybe just NOT dem or repub, but I sure can't think of anything else..... they are definitely NOT libertarian in ANY sense of the ideals of the party.....


GTWT


:XXhippylove:

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa..........The Tea Party has NOTHING to do with Libertarians, and you insult almost a third of the population by saying that. The Tea Party is nothing more than a bunch of pissed off idiots running around mouthing off stupid talking points. The Libertarians are an actual party and has an actual platform.

 

Yah, and we have a third party choice called....guess it.....THE LIBERTARIANS! They stand for as little government as possible, the least amount of taxes, and no government intervention into our personal lives.


The Tea Party movement is a coordinated effort between conservatives to give advantage to the Republican party so that they have double the chance to gain back the majority. They claim to be middle of the road, yet are socially right. They claim to be middle of the road, yet are fiscally right. They are Republicans in sheep's clothing.


I want a new choice, a responsible government, but the Tea Party is nothing more than the same shit dressed in a new ass.

 

Example:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100929/el_yblog_upshot/second-institution-claims-christine-odonnell-fudged-education-record

 

sure they did, in its infancy...well before anyone had even heard of the tea party...but ill repeat because i guess i didnt say what i meant correctly....the tea party movement has been infiltrated by the neocons/war mongering republicans....ron paul basically started the tea party movement....and sure, hes a republican....but what other republican is talking about ending the war(s), abolishing the federal reserve/bullshit legal tender laws, the CIA, the FBI and any other alphabet soup bureaucracy you can think of....it doesnt get much more libertarian than that.....so believe me, im well aware the tea party has nothing to do with libertarianism any more....but thanks for calling me on it yo! .... i jus thought hank was equating the tea party with libertarians....i reread his statement...i mustve misread....sorry.

 

Even then, if you look at History (and I not arguing with you, just trying to clarify) the school of Libertarian thought was established in Europe WAY before the REAL Tea Party happened in American (IE pre-revolution). The Tea party today sounds Libertarian, but yes, it is just another cover for neo-conservatism.

 

agreed!:thumbs-up:

 

There are actually two main "Tea Party" Groups.


The Tea Party Patriots is the grass-roots organization that wants limited government, lower taxes and free markets. They are the ones who lean toward Libertarianism. The Tea Party Patriots do not support any candidates, either republican or democrat.


http://teapartypatriots.org/Mission.aspx


Then the "Tea Party Express" came along... They are the far right-wing folks based in Sacramento California. They saw the success that the Tea Party Express was having and used the name "Tea Party" in an attempt to get support for their causes. These are the guys who promote the "socially conservative" candidates.


http://www.teapartyexpress.org/


Of course, the left leaning news media mixes the two groups together because they are both a threat to the Democrats. By mixing the two, they are trying to paint ALL "Tea Party" folks as "Right-Wing Nut Jobs."


Support the Tea Party Patriots and shun the Tea Party Express. :beerchug-2: