How safe is it actually posting incriminating stuff on this site

People seem to always upload pics and such, what if there is the police or FBI monitoring?

 

most of us do it every day.


I grow my own pot. If I didn't grow, I prolly won't smoke it. I have sold pot in areas where any amount is a felony, but not recently. I grow pot on government land... big criminal offense. Screw it, I'm not hurting anyone unless they mess with my pot.


My actions are legally defined as 'criminal'. HOWEVER, I don't believe I've ever posted any identifying information or anything that would assist in identifying me, so good luck.

 

Then you are fucked!

 

I am with Res on this one. Hobby growers are of little interest on the National scene. Now if you were posting pics of a 100 acre grow, bragging about it and selling you might create some interest, but the heat would come down locally and probably not as a result of your pictures.


No Sell


No Tell


No CELL


Best policy


This has served me very well.


Plus, there are literally thousands of pictures on this site and it is


maintained ( stored anyway ) on a private server.


BBT

 

Legally they would have to have a warrant to use any information found on this site and connect it to you in the real world. If they have enough information to get a warrant, you already fucked up and this site doesn't matter.

 

earlier when i tried Googlein this question


their was 2 top links that had growkind.com in the description that came up and when i clicked them a red screen came up saying this link is untrustworthy like it would if you clicked on a phish site i found that weird probably nothing to do with this site though, i retrieved back to safety though lol

 

Don't listen to them . The goverment is always watching. The're saying it's ok because the goverment has reprogramed them.


Peace.....

 

My real name is Rick Steves. I grow weed.


My address is:


Europe Through the Back Door 130 4th Avenue North PO Box 2009 Edmonds, WA 98020-2009 USA Tel: 425/771-8303 Fax: 425/771-0833.


Go fuck yourselves cops.

 

This is the correct answer!!! Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner.:thumbs-up:

 

Red tape actually helps us for a change


The chain of red tape LEO has to go through to get to you, via this site, is miles long.


Short of taking your computer and looking through the history to find out where you've been on the internet, there is no way for LEO to connect a real life person to their favorite growing forum. If they've done that, as everyone has already said, you're fucked anyway. Furthermore, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't enable the private browsing option when doing anything remotely cannabis related over the internet.


What I'm saying is if one of your neighbors or whoever dimed you out, the cops don't automatically see where you've been posting, nor does it much matter at that point anyway.


So assuming some bored cop saw some someone's post and got a hard on for busting that person. He must first get a warrant to subpoena the web administrator for his logs (which growkind.com does not maintain, incidentally). If they were somehow able to match an IP address to any given post or pictures, they then must get a warrant to subpoena the corresponding ISP (whoever your internet service provider is) to find out to which real life person/address that IP address was allocated on the date of the post / picture.


If they have gone that far, and put in that much effort, you ARE fucked. End of story, bye bye, it's black and white. You ARE fucked if they want to put in that much effort. Fortunately for us they don't want to unless for someone reason they believe you are responsible for the injection of thousands upon thousands of pounds of marijuana into the trade.


To wit... http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=62895 is a thread by an author who each season grows somewhere in the range of 5,000 plants. That post has existed on icmag since 2007, and Julian (the author's screen name) is not in prison.


The moral of the story is that the only way you're going to get tangled up with LEO is if you're careless enough to basically drop yourself in their laps on a silver platter. If you get busted for growing some plants in your closet, the transmission of sensitive material from your computer to this forum probably had nothing to do with your incrimination / incarceration.

 

Half right/wrong Og. I actually could locate people from the internet if I wanted to, not as much work as you would think. You can get records to your e-mail detailing your web usage as well as the router you use. Most people don't change the password on their router either, making it even easier to see where you've been. You are 100% correct though that if they are in the process of locating you via a website you are 100% fucked already.


We are safe, but I don't want anyone to think it is hard to find internet records, law enforcement or private dick.

 

Wrong Nippie. I did a detailed post about this a while back, but since this comes up so often, yall can search for it on your on.


The patriot act actually strengthened security for the internet, or at least where we are concerned. Basically there are several types of warrants, and the one police would need to make Webby give them your IP information is one of the harder ones to get. That is why I always say if they are looking at your IP information, you already fucked up and they know who you are anyway.

 

Child porn in itself is a crime, so they don't need a warrant to track those people. Just because websites track IP addresses DOES NOT mean they just hand those out to the police, or public for that matter, all willy-nilly. Believe it or not websites want to protect that information at all costs. On the internet information about users is gold.


The simple fact is that law enforcement CAN NOT connect your IP to a physical address or person without a warrant.

 

You could perform a traceroute on my IP address and that will get you as far as my ISP, but will go no further. Without a warrant (and yes, you do need a warrant) to subpoena the IP allocation tables from my ISP's DHCP servers you cannot get a location any further than who my ISP is. Again, if you're going to those lengths then finding out which 50 mile radius I reside in doesn't do a whole lot (or if in a large city, a 5 mile radius in which hundreds of thousands live).


You absolutely must have a warrant to subpoena an ISP's networking records. This is not a state-by-state issue. This is regulated - black and white - at a federal level. I think the government would have a hard time building a case that would hold up in court, claiming that I'm suspected of terrorism and that's why they circumvented required legal procedure.


Now, having said all that, we made one big assumption: that you already have an IP address to go with. Where you gonna get that? Search the web on my full name, hoping that A) one of my emails pops up (making another big assumption, that my full name is unique among the 300,000,000+ Americans in this country), B) extract the header information from the email and get an IP address C) Hope that the email is recent enough that my ISP still has the IP allocation logs for that time frame.


Durations for which ISPs must maintain this information is NOT, nor will it ever likely be, governmentally regulated. The only reason ISPs keep this information at all is if they believe that it will somehow help them make more money. My guess is an average ISP keeps these kinda records for around 4-6 months and then gets rida them. Text files don't take up much space, until you start talking about text files that record the IP address of thousands, even millions, of users' IP addresses, that constantly change according to network conditions. It doesn't take long before these text files add up to several hundred terrabytes. Storing them costs money, and they only keep them to a point where they think they'll make money by doing so.


That's a lot of "ifs", and all it does is give an IP. Then you still have to subpoena the ISP. The only way they're really going to get an IP address otherwise would be to, again, get a warrant to take growkind's servers and look at their connection logs. Then again, GK doesn't maintain those logs.

YOU can get records on YOUR usage. You cannot with the click of a button get a detailed report on my network activity. Not if you knew my physical address, IP address of my router, full name, social security number, and mother's maiden name.


If you can't do it, a private detective can't do it via legal channels with the ISPs either. A tenacious enough person can figure these things out, but not by simply strolling into an ISP and browsing their logs. They can only see what you show them (printed pages you throw away, receipts in the garbage can, running your mouth, etc. etc.).


The average router that a home owner buys does not maintain internet logs. Most do not come equipped with any form of long-term storage device, they only possess a very small amount of solid-state storage, like a BIOS or something similar. Of course there are routers available that will record internet activity. They must be configured to do so. If you leave your router exposed, well... that would be one of the above-referenced ways in which a private detective gets your help.


Looking at how well that holds up in court.... if you leave your router UNpassworded, the information obtained would probably be allowed into evidence. If, however, you have a password and the detective somehow obtains it without your permission, removes information from your computer and the information is used later to build a case against you, that evidence will be ruled in-admissible and the case will be immediately dropped. Your 4th amendment rights have been violated, and this is directly akin to someone stealing a key to your house, breaking in, and removing anything; there is supreme court precedence stating that such evidence will be in-admissible, resulting 99/100 times in a dismissal by summary judgement.

You can disable cookies in your web browser. Even so, most websites will maintain logs of who has come and gone specifically on their web server, if not other places those users have been (which they cannot if cookies are disabled). When you load a website, your computer REQUESTS information of the web server. By doing so you implicitly agree that the machine on the other end of your request is privy to your network information. This does not imply an agreement on your part for them to share that information with the world, or whoever may come knocking.


Can a police officer knock on your door and inform you he will be taking your coffee maker because he thinks it was involved in a crime last night? Neither can any law enforcement officer tell an ISP's employees to step aside while they remove their equipment. It's private property, and they must have a warrant to remove it.


Exception 1 to above paragraph: Patriot Act. Citing the Patriot Act to chase down some marijuana growers is.... LOL. And that's all I'm gonna say about that. Exception 2: the ISP voluntarily hands over the information. In that case you can kiss your business goodbye, because once word gets out that you freely disseminate information about your users and their internet activity, your market is gone.


I think we had a discussion about this whole issue way back in March or April in some other thread. Case and point behind this lengthy post: unless you hit the FBI's top 10 most wanted list, legally - in a fashion such that the information will be admissible in court - obtaining details of someone's internet activity is for all intents and purposes impossible.

 

All very correct information OG! BTW, I wasn't trying to say I could legally find someone, just that it is easier than most people think, and having an IP address isn't even necessary to do so. I will say this, I have a pretty cheap router, and it retains logs of my internet activity and any other devices that attache to it.


Again, the basic point people is that they have to have a warrant to get information from Webby to trace your account, at which point they already have enough information to obtain a warrant, so this site is basically useless to police.

 

Im glad this question came up, been lurking and not wanting to incriminate anyone. Still think if they want ya theyll get ya. I stay low key exept i voice my opinion about weed and how it should be legal. Now im paranoid.