Producing denser buds

I currently run a 2 by 2 by 4 foot tall box. The box is lined with reletix and I am running a 100 watt hps. I was wondering if this is enough for the two plants I have running inside. The first batch of buds produced me about an once and for my first try I wal told that was not bad. But, the buds where a little loose. Is it beacuse of my growing method or did I pick them to early. I was told by another fellow grower that in the last to weeks of the buds cycle it packs on a tremendous amount of weight (noticble). Does anyone have any other suggestions? All help would be appreciated.

Specs:
Box: 2x2x4 feet tall
Lightining:100 watt hps
Soil: Kellogs Organic Soil Mixture
Watering: When Needed
Ferts: Every so often, pullinf from the soil, my do a chemical substitution
Current grow: 7 days into flowering, flowering waited until signs of alternating nodes

 

p.s. the seeds are train wreck

 

you are not gonna get too dense of a bud with 100w. different strains pack on their weight at different stages. never grown trainwreck.

 

Yah, wa is right on. Watts = density

 

so I need a better light, could you all recommend me a light?

 

I started out with a 250W HPS.


Buds were good but not tight or airy, kinda in-between.


Then I got a 400W HPS. BIG difference in bud density.


I grew very tight compact nugs with the 400W.


That would be my minimum recommendation, 400W HPS.

 

if the minimum you reccommend is a 400 watter what would I produce from a 1000 watter?

 

you would proably produce a lot of heat and burn your plants


2x2x4 is not enough room for a 1k IMHO


good luck,


noone

 

These were a quick little cheapo grow, 250w MH, soil, Dutch Pass. White widow and serious Ak47, cheap ferties, stuff all ventilation. Just under 3 oz dry of tastey buds, bit extra light buds. Main colas and buds were pretty dense.


Cab


http://www.growkind.com/gallery/data/500/medium/100_1919.jpg


WW cola


http://www.growkind.com/gallery/data/500/medium/100_1928.jpg


Ak


http://www.growkind.com/gallery/data/500/medium/100_1923.jpg


The 400 would always be a nice choice, but in small areas can also involve a few heat issues. Properly ducted the 400 will outgrow the 250 anyday in both budsize and density but the 250 shouldnt be overlooked if room size and temps are playing factors.

 

That cab is really too small even for a 400. You would be looking at 100 watts per sq foot and you WILL get bleaching from too much light...i'm speaking from experience here. I think a 250 would be perfect for that space. The latest pics in my gallery are from a 250 and a compact fluoresent. Train wreck should give you pretty dense buds provided you have the light. I would almost bet it's your lack of lighting though.


PS. If you don't run into trouble or problems, with a 250 you could be looking at around 3 oz dried bud from 2 plants.

 

I'm with Chief. I think 250 would be perfect for you. Or load it up with flourescents.

 

so in a cabinet of the size that I have what is the best way to substitue light in there? should I add some flourescent lights in there 4 footer running vertically?

 

Faq


The same question is answered in the FAQ section. Besides for more wattage, temp difference between lights on and off is a big factor. If there's a big difference, then there will be spacing. So you basically want the least amount of difference between "night" and "day".

 

It's not very hard to chop this up and make it understandable.


I have a 100watt hps for my box, it is 1'x1'x2'. As you know I'm sure, 100 watt hps = 9500 lumens, and I try to keep mine either 50watts per cubic foot or 3,500-5,000 lumens per plant. Total of 2 cubic feet


now you have a box 2'x2'x4', giving you a total of 16 cubic ft... it sounds like its at least 4 times to small. Now take a light such as a 250watt, its approx. 27500 lumens, now you have at least 1718 lumens per cubic ft... maybe this is why you said you tried 250 and it just wasn't doing what you expected.


Lets do the 400watter just for fun... around what, 50k lumens/16cubic.ft = 3125 lumens/cubic foot. Well it fits much better than the 100watt hps, kinda surprised it worked for a size that big, the 250 would be better, but the 400 would be the best if you could make a heat shield or have an outake tube around your light sucking heat out... really its up to you, I'd suggest building your box around what you want out of it rather than the other way around...


good luck, I hope this may have helped


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sq. or cubic footage???


I could be wrong, but I thought lumens was measured in sq. footage, and not cubic footage.


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It's Lumens(Lux) or wattage per square foot. It's area, not volume.


Cubic feet would not change anything, as light is measured on a single plane. The farther the plane from the source, the lower the lumens will be, following the inverse square principle.

 

xD I think I've blown a gasket!!!!


It happens from reading too many different formula's


well back to the drawing board, and now that you mention inverse sq. principle lol yeah, just forget what I said ;D


<(-'-Q) ::smack::

 

i was gonna say, dont lumens decrease with distance

 

very drastically

 

Big time diminish. Just throw a 400 watter HPS in there and get a good inline fan with a CFM rating 4 times the grow space. Temps would be acceptable my thought.