The best ph down

Discussion in 'Hydroponic Cultivation' started by simpleminded wiseguy, Jan 5, 2004.

  1. simpleminded wiseguy

    simpleminded wiseguy Veggy Stage

    Let's say u could have a lab do ur ph down for u, which acids and in what concentation would be ideal??
    Another problem i face is a very high calcium level in my tap water so i think it buffers it at 6.4 and if i go lower it brings it back up!
    Now i ordered a Reverse Osmosis filter but it is gonna take some time...Can i fix the hard water problem with chemestry??
    My tap water reads 580 ppm...
     
  2. greenthumb420

    greenthumb420 Hash Engineer

    #Moderation Mode


    I would like to know the same thing about removing calcium out of water besides r/o.


    Moved here
     
  3. hydro convert

    hydro convert Developed Alternating Nodes

    Ca does like to combine with O. They match perfectly (one O for every one Ca, to form calcium oxide) Calcium oxide is a gas in is eperienced everyday when you burp, or have indigestion. Additionally, this will cause a fluctuation in pH.


    One effective method of removal that I have instituted is the use of a poly filter at the end of a hose when refilling. However, there is one trick that needs to be utilized for this to be most effective. The stream of water needs to be slow or of a lesser volume to allow the chemical reactions more time to take place within the filter, if you have a flow rate of about 1 liter/minute you can't go wrong. I higher flow rate and all you will accomplish is the removal of lead cysts and larger molecules. Slow down your flow rate from the water source.


    As for an answer on pH down to use, there is no real answer as the come in differing concentrations according to the manufacturers. Nitric acid is recommended as a pH down during veg and Phosphoric acid during flower. However, Phosphoric acid will work fine during both cycles (its what I use). In a pinch (read: temporarily) vinegar will work but breaks down very quickly, Good Luck, JE.


    (Edited by Joint Effort at 12:27 pm on Jan. 6, 2004)
     
  4. greenthumb420

    greenthumb420 Hash Engineer

    Well i use a nsa water filter which drops the normal tap water PH of 8.0 + down to a 7.0 But if i let it sit for 24 hrs it climbs back up so i know i have high calcium. when i try hydro i don't feel like lugging gallons of distilled water home. A poly filter. can you get that at home depot? i'm not exactly sure what it is or looks like.
     
  5. greenthumb420

    greenthumb420 Hash Engineer

    Is this what you're talking about joint?


    [​IMG]
     
  6. Doctor Ladyleaf

    Doctor Ladyleaf New Sprout

    Alternatively, you could just boil off the Ca and wait for it to cool. This should also remove other heavy metals and letting cool for a while should also steep off the rest of the chlorine (if that too wasnt boiled off before).


    a filter or other scrub should oxadise anything fine though if you're up for it. I think they're relatively cheap too.
     
  7. hydro convert

    hydro convert Developed Alternating Nodes

    GT- The filter your displaying doesn't look the same as the one I use, not to say it won't work, I'm just not able to give you a positive answer. However, I do KNOW that chemical and physical(particulate) filtering is more effective at a lesser flow rate. The filter I use is a "whole house" filter, meaning it is meant to be used for filtering incoming water for the entire house, it is the Omnifilter (model # U25) and cost a mere $25. The effectiveness is supported by lowering my initial ppm from 400 to a ppm average of less than 80. But as I said earlier, the key is a very slow flow rate (around 1 liter/ minute). This is the best advice I have, hope it helps, JE
     
  8. hellostupid

    hellostupid Stupid Iz. Stupid Duz.

    :alien:The only other 2 methods i'm aware of to get rid of Calium deposits are:


    1)Distillation-As Doctor Ladyleaf mentioned...by boiling water and siphoning the codensed "distilled" water. More expensive in cost per gallon than R/O store bought water though.


    2)Water Softeners-where calcium particles are being exchanged for salt molecules.


    :light:I used R/O store bought water....which totally Sucked! I Hate luggin water! I am 2 lazy. I wouldn't know where to buy Distilled Water here in Vegas...


    :alien:My God...why is it so "hard"(pun intended) to find pur water nowadayz?:confused: I don't think native americans had this kinda trouble finding clean water...:shocked:


    (Edited by ismoke2much at 6:07 am on Jan. 9, 2004)
     
  9. greenthumb420

    greenthumb420 Hash Engineer

    I know if it weren't for the filter now our water would be even worse. It's gotten so bad that it smells like a swimming pool now...nothing but chlorine. There's nothing like pouring a hot bath,get ready to get in,and the overpowering smell of pool water:puke:
     
  10. hydro convert

    hydro convert Developed Alternating Nodes

    I have the same problem GT. Smells like a chlorine bleach here. I promise if you slow down your flow rate through the filter, you will see an even greater reduction in you TDS.
     

Share This Page