tiny white spots on leaves

interesting new dilemma with one of my vegging plants....teeny white spots all over one side of it, the side with more light, and a slight yellowing around the edges of the leaves. not bugs, i don't think, it's IN the leaves.
been feeding them about every other week with alaska stinky poop, and just started half dosing of alaska flower stuff. other plant same strain & size shows nothing wrong.... i didn't notice anything like this a few days ago...




i have the icmag leaf diagnosis thing printed out, but it doesn't look like any problem i can tell on there....

any ideas???


GTWT
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ACK!!!!


i just threw my scope on it, flipped it over, and i've got gross clear bugs!!! WTF are these things????


how the shit do i get rid of them? do i need to treat my whole room? i've got 6 baby jog-gers in there, plus these 2 larger ones!!!!!


HALP!!!!


GTWT


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Spider Mites!!!!!


You've got Spider Mites. The tiny white spots are dead leaf where the little bastards are sucking the juices from the underside of the leaves. You have all life stages if you see the spots. Look for little webs in the curled leaves or near the main stem at the nodes. The translucent ones are juveniles. Adults are sort of little black specks (they look like a speck of dirt that moves). The eggs are almost invisible. Get some pyrethrin spray at HD or Lowes. I use neem oil myself but it's not as strong as the pyrethrin. I sometimes use the pyrethrin too. There are stronger pesticides to kill them as well but i try to stay with the natural and naturally derived pesticides. They are a bitch! And once you have them it's very hard to get rid of them. You can control them easily with neem but it will not ever get every last one so re application on a regular basis is necessary. You could clear out the room and use some pyrethrin bombs and then a thorough wash with bleach water might get them all. Then you would need to treat your room like a lab and change into clean clothes before entering, as well as filtering your intake and exhaust air. Seal up all possible cracks that would lead to the outside world. It's hard to do this for a small scale grow in your own home or yard. I wish you the best of luck in your battle that you now have on your hands. Jump on them NOW and you'll have your best chance of getting rid of them, wait and you'll just have to double your efforts.

 

:fireworks: You've lost your spider mite virginity.:fireworks:


Ok, If your flowering you don't want to do any sort of neem oil or sprays or any bombs, if your a week or two from harvesting.


You can VERY effectively combat the spider mites during the veg stage, but once developed on flowering plants, the options fade.


I've had them many times. Usually from the pets going into the grow areas. My yard is infested with them in the heat of the dry summer. So, I have to do what I have to do. Which is a process sort of like ResGanJah just outlined.


It's not the end of the world, but your problem of flowering under CFL's in over. ! I couldn't resist.


My veg preventive treatment is neem oil and a wetting agent mixed with warm water and applied in a foliar feeding fashion. Make sure to spray the under sides of the leaves and clip all the lower branches to allow for a more thorough application. I do this once a month in my veg area.


If I do end up with spider mites in flower I usually chop ASAP, cuz I don't wanna smoke spider webs and dead spider mites. I'd rather smoke bud thats a little immature.


My active infestation treatment is the same foliar feeding of neem oil and a wetting agent mixed with warm water, then 3 days later I drop a pyrethrin bomb. I wait another 3 days and do another neem oil treatment and then wait 3 days and drop another bomb. I do this until I've used 3 bombs and applied the neem oil 3-4 times. It's roughly a 2 week cycle for me. I can totally eliminate them with this method EVERY TIME!


Everyone has different methods of treating spider mites, but this is mine.


Good luck and keep us updated.

 

True if they are in the later half of flowering I would refrain from spraying them. However up until week four I have treated plants and have not had any problems with that. Once the buds begin to really form up and become more dense it's not a good idea to spray them with anything IMO.


When using neem oil I recommend a more frequent application. The eggs will hatch and they will begin the life cycle again if not retreated within about a week.


I have inspected my buds for any dead spider mite and I have never found any on my dried buds. No webs either. They like to stay on the large fan leaves. They stay away from the sticky trichomes it seems. Also I have read that they will leave the chopped buds as soon as they are hung and have begun drying out (This is according to Jorge Cervantes). I personally would not chop them early.

 

Ras - I'm not discrediting your comment at all, but I know for a fact that the little suckers WILL be on your pot until it's totally dry. I mean TOTALLY dry. If your planning on keeping the harvest going, there's NO other outcome other than more webs and more mites.


I know you've had them and have a schedule, but between the bomb and the neem, I've NEVER had them remain.


I totally understand what your saying, but I'm just explaining what I do.


I know there's many different ways to eliminate spider mites, but I wouldn't allow the problem to get worse especially when she has other veggin plants that she wants to flower and have pest free.


I'm sure other people do their spider mite eradication differently altogether.


Lady bugs are worthless in an indoor garden and so are the predator mites. They just leave corn cob husk shit everywhere. Lady bugs would be nice outdoors, I'm guessing.

 

dude, that's not funny. i seriously heard the 1812 overture when i read that! that's a cherry i would have liked to keep to myself, you know???


ok, i just spent the last hour in HD, lowes, and the local nursery, and no one has neem oil, and as far as i could read, i couldn't find anything with pyrethrin in in either..... ??? any suggestions???


keep in mind this town is very slow to catch up to the rest of the country - i had to order my alaska flower nutes online b/c they don't have 'natural' stuff here. i say green, and these hillbilly potato-eating fucks say, hey, that's my favorite color too!! duurrrr!! (w-w-waterboy)


GTWT


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It looks pretty damn bad GTWT...........sorry......but try this......................from here http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/doktor-doom-125-oz-pyrethrum-total-release-fogger-p-526.html


Put all your plants in the open room, open all closed off areas, remove bulbs or cover them, unplug everything and drop that bomb.....leave room for atleast 8 hr......do that 1 time a week for 3 weeks.......then do it regularly every month...........good luck

 

one of those foggers that chris posted and follow it with 3 applications of floramite and they will be gone, but only for vegging plants

 

I get all my neem oil as well as my pyrethrin sprays at Lowes. they didn't have it. I get my Alaska Fish ferts there too. The Neem oil I buy is called Green Light (That's the brand name) Neem Oil and the pyrethrin sprays I buy are called Safer (brand) and Garden Safe(brand)by Schultz garden sprays and products. Home depot carries the Safer brand sprays as well. Pyrethrin is a very common insecticide. It's also what they use in the flea killer drops for dogs. Have you looked at Wal-Mart they may carry some pyrethrin based spray for killing insects.


Here are some pics of some of the available products i have used.

 

Just a thought but shouldn't a local health food store carry neem oil? I know they make soaps and such with it. Maybe worth calling and asking before making the trip. So sorry GTWT I really hope you get this under control. I'm mos def too much of a noob to growing to be of any help just hope you find what you need. Will send some good vibes your way chica!

 

thanks, pixie


the neem you use for cosmetics is different than the neem you use for insecticide. i don't know a ton about it, but i did find that online today, so i have to find the specific stuff.


ras, i have one more nursery south of town i can check for those brands, call ahead, otherwise i will have to order it online or something. thanks for all the input, keep fingers crossed!


send some good karma my way, if you will, hope that they haven't gotten in my flower tent!!!! :yikes:


peace


GTWT


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GTWT if you can't find anything in your town, here are a few homemade pesticides you can make yourself.


For Aphids, mealybugs, mites, scales, and thrips


Make a soap spray. Mix one tablespoon dishwashing soap, such as Ivory Liquid or Shaklee’s Basic H, in one gallon of water. Test spray a few leaves of the affected plant; if no damage results, spray the whole plant.


Make an ammonia spray by mixing one part household ammonia with seven parts water.


Make an oil spray by stirring one tablespoon of liquid dishwashing soap into one cup of vegetable oil (peanut, safflower, corn, soybean, or sunflower). Mix 1 to 2 teaspoons of the soap and oil blend with one cup water, and apply to affected plants.


Here is the site I got the info from. http://home.ivillage.com/gardening/pests/0,,92nn,00.html I know that there are several organic pesticides for sale at Lowes that contain vegetable oil as the main active ingredient. I did a google search for homemade vegetable oil pesticide.

 

Damn GTWT that sux. Guess I assumed neem was neem. I can be a bit naive sometimes. I really hope that the local nursery you speak of has what you need. Have been and will continue to send Good Karma ur way. Keep us updated plz.

 

:roffl: oh, my guts they hurt a really alot.

 

:roffl: oh, my guts they hurt a really alot.

 

awesome, ras! i saw a few at HD that were "organic" natural sources, and they had sesame oil and other oils but i didn't know if it had to be neem. i'm willing to use the other regular stuff too, i just didn't know the effects it would have on my plants. almost every post i've searched says the pyrithium, and like i said, i found everything but.


i think to eradicate my current problem i'll have to get some serious chemical stuff, but for regular maintenance, i will definitely do the oil. thanks a bunch, all! :thumbs-up:


GTWT


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fogging for spider mites?

hooray! i found & bought both of these!!!


so, they also had the foggers there, and CC also suggested fogging. would that really screw with my plants? can i leave them in there & fog??? or is fogging just ooky/no-no?


GTWT


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I would pull the plants out and treat them with the Garden Safe spray. That should kill the ones on the plants. Then set off a fogger in the room to make sure you get all the stragglers. I'm not too sure if it would be ok to leave the plants in the room. My instincts tell me that it would be best to take them out and bomb the room. Maybe someone else knows if you can use the foggers without removing the plants from the room. That neem oil is great. If used regularly you will not have a problem with the mites anymore. I treat all my mothers and vegetative plants with neem on a bi weekly basis whether I see mites or not, cuz in my room I know they are there, lurking.

 

egads, i just lit a bomb in my shed.


i'm staring at the window at it right now, hoping that nothing crazy happens, like my whole shed goes up in flames.


i sprayed everything with the pyrithium first, moved plants around & gave them some space. i left the tent door open, and the secret door open, and set the bomb off right at the secret door, so some of it will be in my shed as well. the only thing i don't like is that i know damn well some of it is going to get in my flower tent, and those bitches are almost ready to chop, but i can't really do anything about that because it's right there, pulling from the same spot. oh well. i guess i can spray them down really well with water later tonight...


if you don't ever hear from me again, my shed exploded, the fire dept showed up, and i just got my ass thrown in the slammer!!! LOL (not really funny tho)


peace


GTWT


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