Ok so I'm going to DiY a vert. setup and I have a few designs that I've been looking at. I want some input on which way I should go. I run 2k w/ A/C, but if needed I can get cootubes and such, I just don't want to loop air outside of the room. These are pics I've pulled from the net, so my build won't be exactly like the pictures, but you get the idea of what I'm getting at. The first 2 would be a NFT style setup and the second would be using misters or Aero. I want it to be staggered so either way, there is going to be 2 halves. This one would be the most expensive to build, but I have everything I need for irrigation, just need to build. Just another idea to contemplate, but I'm leaning towards the other 2 ideas before this one. This one would probably be the cheaper of the builds and probably the easiest, but the Aero irrigation could be a pain. I'll need some cycle timers, sprayers, ect.
What are the advantages to a setups like these? Not knowing very much about them all I have to say it looks like a fuck ton of work for questionable return. What's the expected yield from vert scrog as opposed to a more conventional ebb n flow table using the same wattage? Seems like the those running a table or two are killin it! The last one with the black abs pipe looks like it could double as a reactor core in a late 50's science fiction movie.. :thumbs-up:
It probably would, but I don't see it being a problem. Once you place the plants, that's where they live until chop. See, my space situation is an issue for me. I'm pushing it with a 6x4 canopy. So, with 2k of light, I'm missing out on alot of potential bud. Instead of growing in a flat canopy space, I would think it would be advantageous for me to "grow up". I don't know the actual dimensions of these vert styles, but lets say, hypothetically, it's 4 foot across and 6 foot high. Instead of the 24sq/ft flat canopy, I can potentially use 96sq/ft.
To answer your question, duc, currently I'm getting between .5lb to .75 lb per 2x4 table. Lets go with the lower amount, that equals out to 1 oz per sq/ft. In theory, on a single cycle of my flat garden I'm yielding 24oz total. Not great, but not bad. So going with the vert setup, and lets low ball the canopy space to 75 sq/ft, not the 96 because we don't know the actual dimensions until built, I should yield 75 oz per cycle instead of the 24. If you ask me, that's worth the effort. In an ideal space situation, 2k of light should be over 4x8 (giving me a unit per light), not 4x6. I'm hurting my returns with the setup I have now. My options are either, drop the amount of light I'm using or find more space.
I wouldn't turn my back on the table EVER, don't get discouraged with your yields, just go for it harder and learn more, there isn't a single method out there to outperform another, its all in your skills and ability in that stadium stuff, you need small plants, which yield small and you have a larger chance for duds and if theres an issue you lose 80 or more plants in the sizes your pointing out....ive been down this road about 6 times in the last 9 years...only thing that has ever had security and dependableness is the TABLES...bar none, hands down. Let alone there is about 500 connections that could fail at any moment and you for sure cant glue them cuz of the toxins...been there b4 myself If you want BIG yields...make BIG plants and use BIG lighting IMO Im not trying to discourage you bro, just don't wanna see you lose the time,money and brainjuice if it doesn't run smoothly....what u got is working juggy...just amp it up a lil bit and you'll get what u want from them tables Remember too, theres a very good reason NOBODY messes with AERO builds anymore, they've seen the light and hit the walls more than they admit Only one to ever rock a mean AERO build is Heath Robinson and my dude got more time, experience and money than we all do put together
Man I'm pretty much at my limit with these tables though. I need more space. The only way I can think of to get more space is to go vert. It's just not cutting it any more. There is no way I can get 3+ units or 1.5 per light with the space I have. It doesn't necessarily have to be aero, the first one is NFT, which would be simpler than aero.
Agree with CC. There's room for improvement before building a stadium grow. I'd try running a shit load of spears first. One week veg. Pack those fuckers in tight and trim them to one or two colas. You could fit 32 of-em on a 2x4 table. Agree...Heath's the man on wild out hydro/aero/undercurrent/whateverthefuckhetriesnext shit.
I'd lean more towards this recirulating Dwc/nft. Probably one of my favorite rigs heath built. http://www.bestseedbank.com/heath-robinsons-flooded-tube-vertical-garden-part-1/
Two large plants in dwc , net the exterior , weave them through the net , hang 2 vertical bulbs in the middle same spot one higher then the other.
I'm thinkin like Res, once dialed in that setup could be a real producer!!! More, smaller plants with big fat tops and less undergrowth. :thumbsup: Be Cool, CG