After Laundering $800 Million in Drug Money, How Did HSBC Executives Avoid Jail?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ResinRubber, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Matt Taibbi: After Laundering $800 Million in Drug Money, How Did HSBC Executives Avoid Jail?



    The banking giant HSBC has escaped indictment for laundering billions of dollars for Mexican drug cartels and groups linked to al-Qaeda. Despite evidence of wrongdoing, the U.S. Department of Justice has allowed the bank to avoid prosecution and pay a $1.9 billion fine. No top HSBC officials will face charges, either. We’re joined by Rolling Stone contributing editor Matt Taibbi, author of "Griftopia: A Story of Bankers, Politicians, and the Most Audacious Power Grab in American History." "You can do real time in jail in America for all kinds of ridiculous offenses," Taibbi says. "Here we have a bank that laundered $800 million of drug money, and they can’t find a way to put anybody in jail for that. That sends an incredible message, not just to the financial sector but to everybody. It’s an obvious, clear double standard, where one set of people gets to break the rules as much as they want and another set of people can’t break any rules at all without going to jail." [includes rush transcript]


    LINK TO VIDEO and transcript.--->> http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/13/matt_taibbi_after_laundering_800_million


    So the lesson is this for banks and State legal cannabis vendors. Do legal transactions with a State legal business and get threatened with prosecution and possible jail time for employees by the Feds. Do Huge financial transactions with Cartels violating State, Federal and International law and you get a fine. Way to go U.S. Federal Government, we love consistency of message.
     
  2. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    remember, corporations are people too....oh that's right only when it comes to politics, in crime they are still untouchable
     
  3. bncooldude13

    bncooldude13 I supply your drug dealer

    1. The problem with this....they are not the only banks to do this.....


    2. HSBC not only laundered money for cartels, They also hid money of US citizens......Including Major People Of US Goverment. Major people. And also other average joe millionaires. Everyone trying to hide my from IRS.


    When US found out. Us tried to get the HSBC bank to release all the clients names, which is against the Swiss rules. IRs still trying to get those I think from HSBC.


    Now MANY other Swiss banks got caught for tax evasion cases, they got scared and release 100,000's of US clients transactions. These people currently received a notices from IRS saying they need to pay that money now, with no penalties....and no jail... If they dont, then they will be prosectured for US tax evasion.


    Thats fucked up for banks to release the information, even though they signed a contract not too..


    Google and other Major US Companies are now Tax Evading...but Legally.... Using Swiss>Finland>Islands> They are doing this leggaly with no prosecution by finding Loopholes in US Laws...., because they got 100's of lawyers on their side. If they can make 50 billion a year....they can hire all the lawyers they can. Google is not the only one....many others do the same legally.


    Even the Romney... was hiding his cash over seas. And people tried to get him elected as US President..... Thats is crazy....


    IF only all this Rich companys and millionaires payed thier taxes...like average US citizens.....then maybe we wouldnt be in this trillion $ Debt..... Think about it.... Everyone dodges the IRs, and the US is getting screwed....while this greedy fucks laughing all the way too the bank. If you make billions.... pay the dam taxes, Im sure few million $ will not hurt your pocet. It hurst US economy!


    I just had this discussion last night at 12am, with some one, and boom here is RR making a thread.
     
  4. bigbudztoo

    bigbudztoo growin the good stuff

    And that supposed "hefty" fine they are paying is equivalent to two weeks


    of the banks income. DOJ was worried that if they prosecuted it might


    cause trouble in the world banking system ? Holy shit....yep go out there


    looking for justice and all you find is just us. We get held accountable


    and they get a slap on the wrist. Fucking give me a break.


    :icon_confused::icon_confused::icon_confused:


    BBT
     
  5. Old Resin

    Old Resin Resinating

    Welcome to the "Big Boys Club"...oh wait...we're not members....
     
  6. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Used to be a partner in a small securities brokerage in another life. After 9/11 we were forced to personally meet every new investment client to open an account.


    Our investor market spanned four states and most was rural. Anytime some Joe in Bumfuck Ruraltown USA wanted to take his buddies advice and invest in one of our products a licensed agent had to drive to Bumfuck Ruraltown USA, meet the client to open an account, drive home. It could be a $1000 account that nets our office $50, but we still had to do the work. It was called anti-terrorism measures to ensure no $$ was funneled to terrorist groups existing in the U.S.


    Of course none of the big Securities firms needed to comply. They had waivers.
     
  7. bigbudztoo

    bigbudztoo growin the good stuff

    So, one of the bottom lines is sell or grow cannabis and go to jail.


    Launder the drug money and you are good to go.
     
  8. SteelCity Smoker

    SteelCity Smoker To Be Continued

    No the lesson is: grease the wheels that turn and they won't squeak... You can pay your way through anything here in the US of A. Shit remember when matthew broderick got a fine for killing two people in ireland with Jennifer Gray in the car. Also when former first lady Laura Bush ran a stop sign and broadsided her ex boy friends car and killed him no drunk test given, no charges filed. ESPECIALLY don't forget Don King he shot one guy and got off then stomped someone to death and got off.


    In money we trust...
     
  9. AlienBait

    AlienBait Custom User Title

    I don't remember any of those things happening...
     
  10. SteelCity Smoker

    SteelCity Smoker To Be Continued

    The overwhelming RF from A51 must have blocked those events from your area AB... LoL google them sad but true...
     
  11. AlienBait

    AlienBait Custom User Title

    :roffl:


    That's probably what happened...
     
  12. TheApprentice

    TheApprentice Retired.

    :eek:*Gone to Google*:read2:
     
  13. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    Don King is a douche with connections to organized crime. More than money helped him through life.


    Laura Bush was 17 at the time of the accident. They don't usually throw the book at teenagers who run stop signs.
     
  14. Hank Chinaski

    Hank Chinaski Ruminating

    Did Don King really stomp someone to death? That's fucked up.


    :icon_confused:
     
  15. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    Dude took some cash or owed some or something. It was the sixties. More like he beat his ass to death, but. :bong2:
     
  16. TheApprentice

    TheApprentice Retired.

    Apparently so....


    William S. Burroughs: The writer, who initially claimed to have been playing “William Tell” while drunk, shot his common-law wife. His original story was that he was trying to shoot a glass off her head, but later he simply called it “mishandling a firearm.”


    Don King: As the leader of an Ohio gambling ring, he shot one man and stomped another one to death.Flamboyant future boxing promoter Don King killed not one, but two men early in his life while running an illegal gambling operation in Cleveland, Ohio. In 1954, at the age of 23, he shot and killed a man named Hillary Brown, a death that was ruled justifiable because Brown was trying to rob one of King's gambling stations. Later, in 1966, he was involved in a fight with an employee of his named Sam Garrett, whom King claimed owed him money. During the scuffle, Garrett's head hit the pavement -- although some say King repeatedly stomped him to death. He was convicted of manslaughter and spent four years in jail before being paroled in 1971, at which point he moved from gambling to boxing. King was eventually granted a full pardon by Ohio Governor James Rhodes in 1983.


    Matthew Broderick: While driving in Ireland with then-galpal Jennifer Grey, he veered into oncoming traffic and crashed into a car head-on. The other driver died, and Broderick was fined $175 for “careless driving.”


    Brandy: She failed to brake in time and hit the car in front of her. The other driver was killed, but Brandy was never charged with a crime.


    Jayson Williams


    On February 14, 2002, former professional basketball star Jayson Williams shot and killed 55-year-old Costas "Gus" Christofi, a limousine driver hired for the day, at his home in Alexandria Township, New Jersey. Williams claimed that he was showing a group of people the shotgun during a tour of his home, and when he snapped it closed, it discharged, striking Christofi. In 2004, Williams was found not guilty of aggravated manslaughter and aggravated assault, while the jury deadlocked on the charge of reckless manslaughter. He ended up being convicted of four lesser charges involved with trying to cover up the shooting. However, he currently faces the possibility of a retrial on the reckless manslaughter charge.


    Donte Stallworth


    Early in the morning of March 14, 2009, football player Donte Stallworth struck and killed a pedestrian -- 59-year-old Mario Reyes -- while driving in Miami Beach, Florida. Stallworth was drunk at the time and was charged with DUI and second-degree manslaughter, which could have carried a 15-year prison sentence. However, although he pled guilty to both charges, he received only 30 days in jail, plus two years of house arrest, eight years of probation, 1,000 hours of community service and a lifetime suspension of his Florida driver's license. He was also suspended by the National Football League from playing for a year. His light sentence was due largely to Florida's DUI laws, which require proof that there was some action on the drunk driver's part (aside from merely being drunk) that caused the fatal accident. Since Reyes was not in the crosswalk when he was struck, there was reasonable doubt about Stallworth's liability. Stallworth and the Reyes family settled on a financial agreement out of court.


    J.R. Smith


    On June 9, 2007, star basketball player J.R. Smith was driving through an intersection in Millstone Township, New Jersey, when his SUV collided with another vehicle, killing Smith's passenger, Andre Bell. It was determined that Smith had run a stop sign, driving around another vehicle that was stopped in front of him at the sign. His SUV was then struck by an oncoming car that had the right of way, flipping Smith's vehicle. Neither he nor Bell were wearing seat belts at the time of the crash. Smith had previously been cited seven times -- five for speeding -- and had his driver's license suspended five times in a nine-month span between 2005 and 2006, but his driving record was "in good standing" at the time of the crash. For his role in the accident, Smith was charged with improper passing, failure to stop, speeding (67-plus miles per hour in a 35 MPH zone), reckless driving and failure to wear a seat belt, but he avoided vehicular manslaughter charges. Smith was convicted in 2009 and sentenced to 90 days in jail, but the judge suspended all but 30 days. He ended up spending 24 days in prison and was sentenced to 500 hours of community service.


    Vince Neil


    On the evening of December 8, 1984, Mötley Crüe lead singer Vince Neil was driving in Redondo Beach, California with Nicholas Dingley (AKA Razzle), drummer for the Finnish band Hanoi Rocks, when Neil lost control of his vehicle and crashed into an oncoming car. Dingley was killed, and the two occupants of the other car suffered serious injuries. Neil had a blood-alcohol level more than twice the legal limit and was arrested for drunk driving and vehicular manslaughter. In 1986, he was sentenced to 30 days in jail, five years of probation and 200 hours of community service and was ordered to pay the victims of the crash $2.6 million. He served only 15 of the 30 days in jail.


    Keith Moon


    On 4 January, 1970, Keith Moon, the iconic drummer for The Who, accidentally ran over his bodyguard, Neil Boland, outside a pub in Hatfield, England. Although Moon was known for his destructive behavior -- in particular, blowing up hotel toilets -- Boland's death was ruled an accident that resulted while the drummer was fleeing from a group of aggressive skinheads. Moon wasn't charged in the death. Ya gotta love Keith Moon:tvlaugh:
     
  17. SteelCity Smoker

    SteelCity Smoker To Be Continued

    Hey just cause she was 17 doesn't mean she shouldn't have been charged and why wasn't a field sobriety test given? Driving in texas you can see forever out there. "Oh you blew a stop sign and killed a guy... oh well head on home you crazy kids..."
     

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