ANOTHER school shooting...... California

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  1. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    Turn on MSNBC for a few, but not trying to start fighting again.


    We each have our own opinion. I think we both want what we feel is best and neither will change the other's mind. I just see it like Lion's comp with DUI....we didn't ban alcohol nor vehicles, just restricted driving drunk. We don't restrict any types of spirits because of this, just charge the people that commit the offense.


    Have you seen the Dead Horse thread? I feel that you think we are all like that...it's not true...guys a wack job. Just like I said, my issue with banning mags is it would suck to load all the time...selfish i know, but even at this point I think I may be willing to give that up.


    But I won't comprise on handguns....vital for self defense.
     
    nippie, Jan 12, 2013
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  2. Hank Chinaski

    Hank Chinaski Ruminating

    I think you are just exaggerating the position of gun control advocates. I've got better things to do than listen to numerous msnbc clips on youtube to try and find a quote to back up your claim. I've never heard anyone claim that banning some certain type of gun would eliminate school shootings 100%.


    It's easier to argue against a position when you first misrepresent it as being a more extreme or illogical position then it really is.
     
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  3. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    first off, no one said 100%...nor did i. I can list quote after quote about people saying a ban is needed to stop this from happening again


    but I guess your position as well as the rest of the liberals is "we see a tragedy that we can exploit to take away the rights of Americans"


    because if banning large mags and certain weapons that they are talking about has no bearing on stopping school shootings and that's not even the intent....then Libs are worse than even i thought....because they are exploiting dead children for a political purposes and to take away rights of Americans of average citizens
     
    nippie, Jan 13, 2013
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  4. Hank Chinaski

    Hank Chinaski Ruminating

    Not happen again means 100%. If 1 incident with a shotgun shoots a hole in the theory, then it means 100%.
    Even if some people somewhere are saying "a ban is needed to stop things like this from happening", what I think they mean is 'to try and stop things like this from happening.' No rational person believes any measure would have 100% effectiveness. The point of gun control advocates is to try and reduce the frequency/probability of these type of attacks happening.


    Otoh, it sounds like what you are saying is that since one attack occurred with a shotgun, no bannings of any types of guns would have any effectiveness at all.
     
    Hank Chinaski, Jan 13, 2013
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  5. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    I'm done...no point


    :deadhorse:
     
    nippie, Jan 13, 2013
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  6. Lvstickybud

    Lvstickybud Bongmaster

    Again, here your assuming to think you know what they mean. If they meant to say what you think, then maybe that's what they would have said.


    Too many politicians say what they actually mean and people just assume it means something else when in reality they are hoping that's what we think so they can get away with whatever they want.
     
    Lvstickybud, Jan 13, 2013
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  7. mt.king

    mt.king mud drags champion

    fastest handgun in the world is a single action 6 shooter


    I can't be 6 rounds through it faster you can empty 4 in a semi automatic Glock it's all in the skillet the shooter the point is he went in there with the intent on 2 people. not the whole school. just like it cancel shot his parents for being dicks and then picked out certain kids to school the bullied him. looks like guns are not the issue in this 1 either its school bullying and mental illness.


    too bad happened to go to school with a gun but good for the kids get even with his bullies. too bad he couldn't found a better way that'll teach them Bowie so maybe that's what we should be promoting out of this instead of gun control.
     
    mt.king, Jan 13, 2013
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  8. Industrial_Hemp

    Industrial_Hemp Germinating

    5.56 nato is not weaker than .223.
     
    Industrial_Hemp, Jan 14, 2013
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  9. TheApprentice

    TheApprentice Retired.

    BO2

    But if i run with Primary Gunfighter and my 3 attachments are Rapid Fire,Extended Clip and Full Metal Jacket. Then theres gonna be carnage:smoke2:
     
    TheApprentice, Jan 14, 2013
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  10. AlienBait

    AlienBait Custom User Title

    5.56 NATO IS .223


    (and yes, I know the difference between .223 Rem and 5.56 Nato.)
     
    AlienBait, Jan 14, 2013
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  11. Industrial_Hemp

    Industrial_Hemp Germinating

    Put a 5.56 round in a rifle rated for .223 and see what happens.
     
    Industrial_Hemp, Jan 14, 2013
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  12. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    Slight differences 556 has thicker brass and their necks and primers are different Industrial hemp is right about firinng them.....unless mini 14 :)
     
    nippie, Jan 14, 2013
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  13. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    Rifle matter more imho. You don'twant 1 14 twist


    EDIT:meant to have to Dont in there.....makes all the difference


    Thanks Industrial Hemp for pointing that out...lol HUGE difference


    Now lets here everyone argue the 1:7 to 1:9 for target practice vs field use lol
     
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    nippie, Jan 14, 2013
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  14. Industrial_Hemp

    Industrial_Hemp Germinating

    I think one would want a twist rate of 1:7 the lower twist (higher number) rates can not stabilize heavier rounds like the SOST rounds or the heavy BTHP match rounds. That and the regular M855 rounds prefer it as well. A 1:14 rate would be ok for the light varmint rounds in .223
     
    Industrial_Hemp, Jan 14, 2013
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  15. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    lol, you're right, "Dont" was suppose to be in there....not sure if there is even a 1:14, was just doubling that 7 from colts


    m4 are the best because of the true 1:7 twist...that's what I meant to say,


    but even then it depends on the round being fired.


    I've seen alot of people prefer 1:9....but colt is the way to go
     
    nippie, Jan 14, 2013
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  16. Industrial_Hemp

    Industrial_Hemp Germinating

    Most civilian AR's are 1:9. Im not sure about the 1:14 either... lol When m16's came out they were 1:12 if I recall correctly. However I prefer a .308 in the field ;)
     
    Industrial_Hemp, Jan 14, 2013
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  17. AlienBait

    AlienBait Custom User Title

    I see you did not understand what I was saying....


    Let me try again....


    5.56 mm = .223 in.


    Just trying to be funny...


    The proper term for what you are calling .223 is .223 Remington.
     
    AlienBait, Jan 14, 2013
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  18. Industrial_Hemp

    Industrial_Hemp Germinating

    I thought maybe you were one of "those guys" My apologies.
     
    Industrial_Hemp, Jan 14, 2013
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  19. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    m16 1:12....was that the old school powder also that didn't fire and gummed shit up......before my time on this Earth, lol
     
    nippie, Jan 14, 2013
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  20. Lvstickybud

    Lvstickybud Bongmaster

    My AK47 shoots 5.56 military full jacket and .223 Remington. You can't tell the difference when shooting. I'm not a "gun pro". I like to shoot and don't care about all the specs, but I couldn't tell the difference between the two other than the full jacketed round. I'm also not sure what you meant by "weaker". They both will go through a car door at 50 yards. They both will go about 2 1/2 to 3 feet into a wet newspaper pile. Oh yeah, and I also wouldn't want to get shot by either.
     
    Lvstickybud, Jan 14, 2013
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