No...it's an HERB. Drugs may be extracted FROM herbs, such as Digitalis from foxglove, for instance, but are processed in some way. An opium poppy is just a flower. It takes a process to change the "sap" into a drug. Similar to, say, whixkey---it's made FROM corn, but it aint corn. MJ is used exactly as it is--grow it, dry it, smoke it. NO PROCESS to change it from it's natural state. In it's natural state, it's an herb and nothing but an herb. Dixie
so by that rationale, the hash made FROM marijuana IS a drug. THC IS a drug, and it's the drug we grow cannabis for. If it DIDN't get you high,, but only eased pain or other suffering would you still grow it and love it so much.. if it DIDN'T get you high?? No matter how you look at it, marijuana IS an herb, but it's one that gets you high/alters mood/alters perception/alleviates pain and other physical discomforts and so therefore it IS a drug. No amount of love, sugar coating, or desire to have wide-spread acceptance is going to change that. So instead of the generic arguments, how about the positive ones? IT's a drug, or at least used as such because it CONTAINS A DRUG, accept it, but it's benefits FAAAR exceed it's drawbacks.
It's an herb, no it's a drug,...... It's all semantics. Ganja, whether you call it a drug, or call it an herb, maybe it's a dietary supplement??? It's ganja and it does not belong in a comparative with hard drugs like cocaine and heroine. That is why I don't agree with the broad definition of what constitutes a drug. IMO in order to be classified as a drug the source product should have had to undergo some form of chemical extraction or alteration of it's original compound. For example I WOULD be okay with labeling something like butane extracted oils a DRUG, albeit a fairly benign one. However something like bubble hash that only undergoes a mechanical extraction would IMO fall under the category of pure herbal concentrate.
what difference does it make how the chemical/substance is extracted? Cocaine is extracted from the coca plant, heroine/opium is extracted from the poppy... hash/honey oil is extracted from the cannabis plant. Don't kid yourself, it's a drug no matter how you look at it, but no it does not belong in the same "comparitive" category as the other two. I can tell already that point will be entirely ignored here because "it's sacred herb"... yeah well guess what buddy, opium is sacred too, and so is cocaine. Have you ever smoked divinor's sage? That shits' "sacred" to certain people as well and all it does it make you trip for a few minutes and leave ya feeling sweaty. I got half an ounce I'll send you try out if you want. Then you can tell me how sacred and spiritual it is. Anyway, the reason it's a drug is because it fucks you up... now is anyong going to answer me? If marijuana did not get you high at all, but still produced the same calming and pain relief effects, but no high... would you still smoke it? Someone answer tis and quit ignoring it, because when you ignore that, you make it blatantly clear...
so ur other pain meds work better, but u smoke ganja because it gets you high, will u please confirm this?
Like I've been told. If It causes problems in my life, maybe I should reevaluate my situation. I've never had problems with Ganja, other than persecution. About other drugs, as long as there is no problem, I have no problem. We have to agree, Charlie has a problem... well It would be a problem for me. peace G_B P.S. Coffee is a drug, but there is a big difference because caffeine addicted people don't have a lot of problems... not when it's compared to other drugs.
You need to realize it's not easy to give ammo to deceived world. People are not afraid of the truth, just persecution. peace G_B
He even admitted that it's hard to control. A lot of people might not see a problem, but he did. That's what I hear from him. And yes, money makes it easy to over do yourself. peace G_B
I good care less about him & all this media attention is making him richer. Don't see how they can say he is manic or crazy for you would have do a battery of testing and mental work up. For all we know, he is playing "acting" crazy & will make more money off all this. Apparently he is working out a deal with the premium channels? Anywhos....hollywood spoiled brats is the only thing that comes to mind.
Shadow- you ignore my points as much as you say I ignore yours. I said all of what I said was MY OPINION on the definition and classification of drugs. I have smoked Salvia and yes I can definitely see how it could be seen as sacred. I also understand that the coca plant and the opium poppy are sacred. But the people who made them sacred also did not use diesel fuel and brake fluid cleaner in order to make them into something other than what they were in their pure form. Raw opium by my definition would be an pure herbal concentrate since it take s only a mechanical extraction to collect the raw opium, but as soon as it's processed using a bunch of toxic chemicals it changes forms to a drug. The coca plant's leaves were chewed raw by the indigenous people of South America, but they never made cocaine. Once they use diesel fuel and whatever else they use to make cocaine it becomes a drug. THAT IS MY OPINION, so don't claim that I am stating it as a fact. I am also not making any claims that "herbs" and pure herbal extracts and concentrates are completely harmless. That all depends on the plants. I mean nightshade is a dangerous plant with compounds that can kill you but it's not illegal or widely seen as a drug. Now to answer your question about would I grow ganja if it didn't get me "high". Hypothetical questions are pointless. What does it matter what we would do in some alternate reality? This is the reality that we are presented with. Ganja does have medicinal benefits and it also has some euphoric properties. That is the way Jah made it. To humor you, I will go ahead and answer your hypothetical question. I would grow MJ if it didn't get me high as long as there was a market as big as there is now. Which there wouldn't be so no, probably not. But in this alternate reality does there exist another plant that gets ya high?, cuz I would just grow that one.:thumbs-up: asssit:
THC and cannabinoids are a drug. Organic or inorganic makes absolutely no difference. Used to like LSD and psillies a lot. Had some last summer. (Yum!) You think I gave two shits what the classification is? I wanted to get high and did. Methinks we should all mind our OWN business and let people succeed or fail based on their own actions rather than our judgments on what they do recreationally. In my community there's more than one person who thinks I'm a shitty dad because I smoke pot and have been arrested for growing. Makes me kind of loathe to pass the same judgement on another, especially when all I know is what the tabloid news feeds me. Shadow, in answer to your question. Pot is pot. It eases pain and distracts from the chronic nature of pain some of us tokers live with. But, when my garden is up there's always a strain that is there just for the punch and nothing else. There's no need to be one dimensional about it unless you choose to be.
no, my point was, would there be such a craze over it if it didn't get you high? Answers so far are NO.. the main point is it gets you high.. it gets you high... u.. yeah it gets you high... the REAL benefit is the other medicinal proerties, but the drive behind the market is.. IT GETS YOU HIGH.. so... shit, just fuck it. Ras, I wish you weren't so easily worked up, man, YOU tend to miss the point by miles and miles. Whatever, smoke on. asssit: And to RR.. you're right, there's no need to be one dimensional about it... and I'm not, but thanks for answering.
Drugs are bad. Ask anyone. Why do u think they call it dope. er.. a.. wha what that? Do you have any more? peace G_B
Dude, I'm not worked up. I just wanted to be clear that those were my opinions and nothing more. just stating my point of view, not saying that anyone else should necessarily see things my way. Everyone seems to think I don't understand the definitions of words or something. it's not that I don't understand or that I don't see your point, it's simply that I disagree. People can do that you know. If everyone thought the same way the world would be boring.
