Your current location (artic) should help a little with denying access to opiates ( dont know your situation at all just saying seems like a good place for isolation) Good luck and stay strong.
Oh no donubt. I don't know anybody here with access to that shity, and I'm certainly not going looking for it. I ve actuyually met somebody here who has rececently had surgewery and they have a shit load od Dilaudid. However, abou 20months ago, I'd have been bugging her for some kind of trade or some kina deal so I could get my hands on it. But I just remember the goals I've set for myself ans how opiates have no place in my life any more. Besides, this far into detox, there I'd no way I wanna go thru this yet again. I thought I was getting better, but I had thew creepy-crawl last night. And and it sucked badly. If I didn't have weed, xanax, seroquel or tramadol, I'd be in such bad shape.
I might be on vacation but I'm still checkin your progress Scotty! Stay strong- this too shall pass, and you will make it through... Peace -LM
Creepy Crawls its been 20 years since i used a point and every time i use starting fluid i can remember the tast of either:roulette: but thats the road to nightmares :bong2: assit: :fly:
Ease Withdrawl With Clonadine I Have Been On Opiates ( MS Contin -120 Mg's Daily ) Since Trashing My Back In Vancouver In 1989 Not Content On The Tylenol#3's The Doctor Was Giving Me , Along With Valium To Relax Muscle Spasm, I Went Looking For a Stronger Painkiller , Finally Ending Up With China White Heroin . My Life Went From Lousy To Pure Waste. I Remember Buying A Large Bottle Of Liquid Injectable Morphine With A Rubber Cap On Top That The Needle Went Into To Suck Up The Morphine I Contracted A Bad Case Of Staph, And Finally Went To Rehab In Victoria ( Pemberton House ) I Was Given Clonadine , A Medicine That Lowers Your Blood Pressure , Making You Feel Drowsy And I Found It Very Effective And Relieving ( Along With Epsom Salts ) My Feet Seemed To Hurt The Most When Coming Off Opiates F.Y.I ; Morphine ( Or 100% Pure heroin )Does Not Cause ANY Damage To Vital Organs , With The Exeption Of The Bowels I.B.S Is The Most Common Complaint Due To The Bowels Constantly Being Busy Trying To Reposition Themselves . Buscopan Provides Effective Relief For I.B.S Also , Taking A Daily Supplement Of Calcium And Magnesium Will Also Aid Recovery. After Two Weeks I Left The Rehab And Was Crossing A Crosswalk On My Way To The Bus That Went Back Up Island , And Got Mowed Down By A Hit And Run Driver Having Over 30 Witnesses Helped Very Much With I.C.B.C , But Within One Hour Of Being Run Over , I Was In Hospital With A Morphine Pump In My Arm . Coming Off Valium Is Actually The Hardest Thing ( Next To Tobacco ) I Am Quitting At The Moment. They Stopped Working So I Asked If I Could Stop Taking Them . After 20 Years On Them , Coming Off Can Be Almost As Dangerous As Methadone ( Adolphamine ). Being A Former " Coconut ", I Had Been On Effexor Anti Depressants Which Are SSRI's ( Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors ) Since 2001 I Have Now Kicked Them Out Of My System. It Was Only By Finding A Decent Doctor That Got Me Off The Smack And Other Devils Dandruff Godspeed On Your Recovery , And One Day At A Time JKP
This Kinda Sucks Holy jesuspalomis, Saturday and Sunday night were HORRID. Both nights I woke up in the middle of the night with some of the worst ceeepy-crawl of my life. I've detoxed quite a few times, so I know what to expect. But both nights my wife had to wake me up and help me get some psych meds in me untill I was basically catatonic and drooling. CreepyCrawl went away and I was able to sleep a while. it was the same thing all over again Sunday night. My body muscles were involuntarily contracting and it fucking hurt. I couldn't believe how many seroquel and xanax just to cut through just a little bit. If I werre taking the big does "normaly" I'd be asleep for days. Pharmaceutical opiates are harfer to come off of than steet smack. That's because tge pharmaceutical opiates have been engineered to bond with to certain plesurable groups of opiate in your body.. So the detox from pharmaceuticals drags out for a while. Few things are more frustaing. Especially if ur detox is a while and wonder "when the hell am gonna stop feeling shitty"m JoePark , ure right about the Valium detox. Stopping cold turky on Valium could send u into benzodiazepine withdrawl. In many cases, the benzpdiazepine withdrawak is worse in some ways from opiate withfrawal. Not to mention, if uve been taking Valium or xanax or whatever, u could have seizure and/ or die. I've used the clonodine and propanolol and thse give give me hypotension. It made me dizzy, like I was about to faint.
Mornin Scotty! How we doin this mornin? Be very thankful that you have someone there with you (your wife/gf) to keep you feelin as comfortable as possible- try not to forget that she was there with you to help you pull through. And like Res said, don't ever forget how shitty this was to go through. Keep us posted... -LM
lil better Hey there LM. Im feeling a lot better than when i last posted. I dont wanna jinx anything, but my xperience with opiate detox in the past tells me that its over. My wife and...damn where would I ever be w/out here? Weve nursed each other thru some pretty bad times that were all drug related. Shes saved my life and Ive saved hers...overdoses and seizures were the worst of it. I gotta tell ya, my wife is the single toughest individual Ive ever seen or heard about. People somewtimes think we are a bit much, and sometimers we are, but we have always taken care of each other. Thats what we have that fucking dope has never been able to steal. Sure, sometimes we traded it all in for piles of drugs...heh heh, but we always got it back. Sooner or lateer thou u gotta cash in ur chips. Ive learned that I cant gamble with house money forever. Roll them dice too many times and sooner or later, EVERYBODY craps out. Thanks for checking in on me, LM. My wife says "Hi and thanks". EDIT: i jinxed it. I cant sleep and when I try I just lay there and toss and turn. Its not the creepy-crawl, its the restless legs. Also, stomach just starting cramping. Cant sleep like this. Might as well get up and do something. Junkies on a kick always dread the nighttime. Its lke when your legitimately ill, it seems to somehow get a little worse at night. This is Suboxone. That medication kept the monkey off my back and blocked my jones while I got my act together. Whats happening with me now, it's a small price to pay for the degree to which it helped me. I knoiw Ive said it before, buty I feel like it bears repeating. For everyday of detox and accute withdrawl, Suboxone leaves the body so slowly. What happens is that the symptims return about every few days. Its like the withdrawal from Suboxone cycles the symptoms in a fairly predictable pace. Maybe that has something to do with it's half-like. My Sub doc had just got his Suboxone license and he was prescribing a LOT of Suboxone to us. It turnd out that it's not to be prescribed in such gigantic dosdes and certainly not a prolonged period of time Something else very similar. Xanax, Valium, klonopin....tolerance buids quickly and it's not supposed to be prescribed for a duration of longer than a couple of weeks , the obly exception is made for patients with diagnosed panic disorder, like me. Shrinks have been prescribing me Xanax now. For 14 years. Im si ohysically dependent on the Xanax that if I were ever to come off of it, Id have to have a medically supervised detox...inpatient. But theXanax has improved my quality of life. My panic attacks get so intense that I often becomeb kind of delsuiional with fear and I begin to seriously beliebve that a threat is near by or imminent and become aggressive in public with people i was convinced they were gonna try toi hurt me. Of course they werent. Theres never any real threat. But see, i need the xanax in order to make sure that doesnt happen. Yeah ok im rambling in the middle of the night. Iil quit rambling now.
How many days are u into detox now? Scotty, U and I both know that tramadol is a synthetic opiate, U need to kick that shit bro. For those of u that arent aware, I am currently on Suboxone, myself. When I was taking opiates I would order a few hundred of the tramadol from online drug companies that were working over seas. I would take the tramadol when I was unable to find my DOC (Morphine, Oxys, Dope, whatever i needed to get off).. U will be a lot better off ridding yourself of all the opiates brother. Im really routing for u, and I am will be looking up to u for guidance, when I decide to kick the Suboxone. Props for taking this big step, much respect! GFam
Hey there Scotty! How ya feelin hon? It seems like its gettin a little easier for ya... Thank goodness. Still on vaca, but will be back to my laptop and wifi soon (right now its just the blackberry...); and I don't wanna go home either! I kinda like being disconnected from the rest of the world. Anywho, I hope you got through your middle of the night heebie jeebies... Stay STRONG, you're almost home free! Peace, n good karma -LM
Damn taht was one hella of a motivating post. Something weird, when Im in accute detox, I feel like I'm to drop dead at any minute. But the thing is, its important to remember that u are not sick from the flu or a virus, so you can pull through just a little easier. So i try to keep moving and working out. You can still do a lot if you get up outta bed and do something. This is my 3rd day from my last Tramodol. I only took about 10 over the course of a week. It sucks cu i cant sleep again tonight. GF-i . Entering my 8th or 9th day off of the Suboxone. Its getting better except for this insomnia bullshit. LM- thanks for checking in on me. I still dont have my internet connected, so Im having to use a CrackBerry as well. The buttons are so tinty, i *lways hit the ket next to the one I intended to press.
GF- I had another idea for u. U may already know about this, but Google "The Thomas Recipe for opiate withdrawal". It is tried and true. Most dopers in detox would get thu it easier and feel better if they knew about it. Check it out if ya feel like it. If ud rather not discuss it, thats cool, but how the fuck did u manage cold-turkey kick in jail. Ive had it rough, but NEVER that ruff.
Glad to hear u are making progress, brother. Thanks for the recipe, I will def check it out. If it involves anti diarrheal, bananas, and hot tub soaks, I think I have read it. Man, I feel ya on the sleeplessness. Thats the very worst part for me. It can drive u insane. The first week is the worst. When I do sleep thru withdrawals, I always have these crazy repetitive dreams, and my brain is just going a mile a minute, so u are never really sleeping at all. It honestly drives me a bit mad. Im not looking forward to the Sub Detox, but its the ultimate goal of one day being free from all dependence that im looking to. Again, I am very inspired by u, and Im glad u made this thread. U got alotta heart man, I know u can make it to the finish. I wish u the best of luck, and I am really routing for u. Keep me posted brother. GFam
Yeah brother, thatys the recipe. The bananas are a good idea, but its hard to keep food down when ure detoxing. Ure spot on a bout the sleeplessness. It can create a degree of insanity that sort of intensifies the process. I really tested myself out the last couple days. Ive finally been back to the gym after a 2month layoff. But today i went on a day-trip to Denali National Park. I knew Id be riding in a van for a long time and gettingh out for some hiking. Dude Im still not right. I eat pretty healthy and well when opiate detox isnyt an issue. This morning I ate breakfast on the trip and I got a little nauseous. Then on the trip my knees and back started killing me. When its my knees killing me, i know thats from opiates. I had to take 5 Tramadol to make it thru the whole day. But it was a long day that started at 5:30am and ended at about 8:00pm. I think i might sleep 2nite. GF, man the hard fact of the matter is tyhat the half-llife of Buprenorphine(suboxone) is long. It clears out of ur opioid receptors very slowly and the withdrawl is protracted. At this point, im generally just not feeling comfortable. Dare i sauy the worst has passed and Im moving into Post-Accute WithdrawalSyndrome. But thats nothing buty a mind fuck. Ill get thru that part easily, especially since my mind is alredy fucked. Rigjt now, I guessing it will prolly be at least another month before I start feeling "normal" psychologically. The good news is that usually when an opiate addicts kick the dope, their sex drive begins to come back. Needless to say Im plenty happy bout that, as is the wife. Like I said though, dony even try to do this unless u are absolutely positive that u wanna try to get off of this shit. Its so uncomfortable and drawn out that itys real harr to get off of Subs. U gotta really wanty it in order to go thru this. If ure able try to wean off slow n steady so u dont "crash land" the way I did. If u want, PM me anytime u feel like it. Ill help u in any way I can.
Hey Scotty! How ya feelin hon? Glad to see Gfam came in on this thread too. We're on our way home from vacation ... I was glad to read you went out for the day, and made it ok, less the pain. Just checkin in! -LM
I remember the last time I detoxed from the subs. I had been taking them for about 5 months, and I had to do a 6 month bid in the county. I didnt even start to feel the withdrawals for about 9 or 10 days. Started out with a runny nose, cold type symptoms, then the diarrea, then a week without sleeping. All in all it wasnt that bad, but It did take forever to onset, and to work the process. Took atleast 3 weeks to completely leave my system and W/Ds started to clear up. .I think it wasnt so bad, bc I knew there was no way I could get anything, and I had a lot of other things on my mind besides the WD. Ive been on them now for almost 2 years, and Im really dreading the whole thing now. I want to be off them more than anything, but Im honestly terrified. GFam
i slept LM and GF, this would be a lot more difficult without you two on this thread with me. Thank you both very much. I finally slept last night. Good sleep w/out a buncha downers. It took several sleepless nights and 2 days of wearing my own ass out. I dunno, when Im w/drawing, it seems like i have so much pent up restlessness, not energy, but restlessness that increases my tolerance for physicl activity. It sounds like u have a lot of ure own experience with this opiate shit. Dude, a sub detox in county? You must be one tough sonofabitch! Ive been on the Subs for two years following about a 1.5 morphine/oxy daily combo. I know u were on for 5 months the last time u did this, but after 2 years of it, well, like u said. It takes abot a week for the shit to even set in.
more insomnia, restless legs and decreased appetitie Thiis shit, Im good for a few days and then another symptom hits you. Im strill ghettinhg chills, swaeating badly in bed when I do sleep. i thought I was done with the creepycrawl, but Im not, which explains me insomniaits like going to the dentist 4 sep. I hate laying there and tossing and turning. This how long that its taking to Leave my body..
