GH 3 part - Useless' formula

I have a tri meter, but because I run multiple ressy's, I use Hannah PH and PPM pens.


I always use the hardwater micro if I use tap water. Regular micro for RO.

 

all im saying is useless's formula works so good that even the ph comes out on the mark BTW i have done what he has done in giving the ressy a day to flush and drop clorine from the water and it works greatassit:

 

I love you Useless.


My girls have never looked as good as they do now using your shit. I would always get some type of over nute or under nute at some time in flower and lose fan leaves before I meant to, now, the girls are just rocking.

 

You still can't have my bud light.

 

LOL.


You keep your beer, rather have your Bud Dank. :bong2:

 

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flood schedule


Originally Posted by Useless


Pump stays on it's normal time schedule. 2-3 mins flood 6x a day.


So from that I take it you are using an ebb & flow system. What is your flood schedule? What I want to know is, when the plants are X weeks into veg then you flood Y times a day for Z minutes. When the plants are X weeks into flower then you flood Y times a day for Z minutes.


Something like that...

 

I thought that I had already laid that out.


From rooted flood 2x a day.


Increase to 6x a day by flower time.


If vegging trees, increase flood frequency every 3-4 days until you hit 6x.


Example


Rooted Clone/Week1


2x a day, 2-3 min flood, 2-3 min drain.


Week 2


3-4x a day 2-3 min flood, 2-3 min drain.


Week 3


4-5x a day, 2-3 min flood, 2-3 min drain


Week 4


5-6x a day 2-3 min flood, 2-3 min drain


Weeks 5,6,7,8+


6x a day, 2-3 min flood, 2-3 min drain.


The frequency with which you will increase the frequency of the flood cycle is dependent on the size of the plant, and the light used. Using 1000 watts over each 4x4 table, I have never had a problem following those guidelines. However, if your clones need a few extra days to establish, or your not using 1kw's, the frequency that you increase the frequency of the flood cycle will lower, not as often/fast. If that makes sense.

 

PM sent to Useless.

 

Thank you, Thank you, Thanks again!


I am using bubblers for the first time, (first grow in 20 years) and way over-fed for my first week of transition into flowering following the suggested schedule by GH. I now own my first TDS tester and realized immediately my mistakes. Kicked ASS in vegetative growth with the bubblers and fell on my face heading into flowering. Plants are alive and not so well at this point by my standards but I am certain following this schedule combined with controlling my TDS in each reservoir will solve my issues.


Just built a couple of 12 plant drip systems and plan on using some pro-mix with some smart pots as well.


Question is.....I would imagine this schedule is perfect for my circulating systems (drip and bubbles), but what about my drain to waste with the pro mix and smart pots?


As long as I am asking questions.....How often do I need to water with the smart pots and pro-mix? How much is too much? I was planning on watering once a day with a drain to waste program cut down by 30% or so and upping it to 3 times a day as they get bigger...sound right?


Appreciate any input you may have.


Bloody Pete

 

Unfortunately I can't recommend a feed frequency for pro mix since I dont use it. Its a soilless substrate and ats like soil I believe. I think your proposed feed schedule might be too frequent.


WHen I grow in soil, I feed with nutes 2-3x a week (using the same fert schedule as posted), and plain water once a week. However, plant size to container size will effect this. A smaller plant in a bigger container won't require feeding as often. Therefore, my pot/container size is based on plant size, so I can feed at least 2x, and water once, every week. You might have to use the old soil moisture test. Stick your finger into the soil and if it's dry about 3" down, it's time to water again.


Drain to waste you can use the same formula, and just make sure that once a week you give plain water for a day.


Only thing I can't tell you is the frequency, because as I said, I dont use promix.

 

Very helpful posts going on in this thread :droooling: Appreciate it Useless!!


Silly question I'm sure, but if I'm growing in soil can I still follow the same feeding schedule with the same amounts of nutrients? In this case the 'ppm' is not applicable correct?

 

Use the same feed schedule, same nutrient mix in the first post. Same PPM's. (Yes they are applicable here)*edit* This is of course only if the soil is inert with no nutrients. If the soil had some nutrients mixed in, wait till they are exhausted, and start with a 50% nutrient solution to make sure they don't burn) ex. if using FFOF for initial planting of a clone, feed with plain ph'd water only until you first start to see a Nitrogen def. (Although usually in FFOF the first nutrient to be exhausted is Mg). Then start with a 50% solution of my schedule, week 2 or 3 veg, depending on plant size. Within 2 weeks, you should be at full strength. Then just follow the schedule.


Frequency of feed is dependent on plant and pot/container size. Read the post above yours for details...

 

With regard to soil growing


Useless, I will be starting in with your formula in a week or so and I was wondering about your soil water/feed frequency. I know you said that soil watering frequency depends on plant/container size, but how is it that you are able to water that frequently (3-4 times a week) and not be overwatering? What's your method?


I typically flower in 5 gal pots. I usually wait until they are pretty dry between waterings, so I end up watering only once to every 3 of your waterings. When I do water, I give them a good soaking and then don't usually have to water again for 3-5 days. What are we doing different?


Thanks

 

Ok, When I first plant my moms in soil, they are in either 1 or 3 gal. containers. If placed into 1 gal containers, I transplant to the 3 gal containers in about 3 weeks. After about 3 weeks in the 3 gal containers, they are pretty big. At least as tall as the container. So they need the waterings every couple days. About 5-6 cups. I water just enough to get a tiny bit of run-off. Not a lot, just a little dribbling out the container.


When I switch over to 5 gal buckets for flowering, they are fed plain water as needed for 3 weeks. They are fed about 10 cups of food or water every 2-3 days. Basically I try to hit em twice during the week with food, and once on the weekends.


If I am going away for a few days, want to do a flush, or just want to saturate the medium if I let it get too dry, I will dunk the bucket in a another bucket full of solution or water. Then I wont feed for a week as the medium does not require it.


Hope that helps...

 

Yeah, it did, thanks


I also would bet that another difference is that your plants are big, beautiful, and very thirsty. Mine are.......well......not.


Hopefully with this formula they will be now. :thumbsup:

 

hey Useless, virago420 sent me the link to this awesome thread 28 day's ago today. all i can say is TY so much for shareing this info to all of us!!!..this formula KICKS ASS..my girl look so damn good now :thumbs-up: i'll be switching to 12/12 later on today, so if you don't mind a few questions...ok 1Q im useing hemp buckets and my feeding is today should i start the week1 bloom cycle,or do i need to do a flush to get out the veg nutes first,then feed?? Q2 is it better to start the 12/12 cycle with 24hours of darkness first?? well thats it once again ty Useless for share with us your formula otleaf-3:

 

I always give them an overnight flush at flip.


24 hours of dark wont make any difference.

 

just switched 3 days ago.


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cheers for the info uesless, just trying it for the first time,


got one question tho, its a biggy. i got (auto)mothers that go from start to finish in 60 days, starting day 17, made the switch to flowerbulb today so i am flush at the mo, nuits tomorrow, thinking of starting from ur week 3 of F, can this formula be adjusted for the auto's,


hopefully anyway they can or i'm:dog-nana:.