Grower's Cup...just an idea that's been done before

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  1. ncmaineac

    ncmaineac Harvested Fat Sticky Bud

    okok


    evil what r u implying....cause you wont be with me and canna..lol
     
  2. ncmaineac

    ncmaineac Harvested Fat Sticky Bud

  3. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Been getting some work done and starting a couple new projects so was surprised to come back and find this thread moving along. I've not been without thought on this one and did a little research. Two locations have been recurring in the process.


    First is Arcata, Ca. It's the home of Foxfarms and a rather "progressive" little city of new age hippie folk on the northern coast and verrry 420 friendly. Located a small private campground there that would consider the proposal if the referendum passes in November and gets enacted. The owner WILL NOT allow a summer event but would consider something around October 2011 or 2012. If we play our cards right it's possible a sponsorship could come out of this locale.


    Another is one of the Marijuana University facilities. I've tried (several times)to get a return phone call from them to rent a room or facility for two days to hold the actual event but have not heard back. They have locations in Sebastopol (North of San Fran), Oakland and LA.


    If Cali legalizes my hope is to find a sponsor or two who could put a little oomph into such an event. I want to be clear. The vision is not just a simple meet and greet. It's an actual Cup event dedicated to small scale cultivators of MJ similar to the giant pumpkin events that hit many communities in the fall. The ONLY way I'd continue and see this through is if Cali does the deed and goes fully legal. That takes the cuffs off, so to speak, and allows me to go into full salesman mode. While Colo, Michigan are fine for you locals, we travelers would still be taking a hell of a risk as would the hosts. My hope is to pull off an honest to gawd small scale, fun, safe, friendly, professional gathering of like minded folk. Not wanting to bite off more than I can chew it just makes sense to begin with a community of people who are already on the same page, like those of us here at GK.


    Rky, thanks for the offer of finding a site in your neck of the woods, but as noted above.... a landowner hosting such an event for non-residents without a card is putting themselves at risk of legal liabilities. If you want to put something together....go get-em. I'll definitely show up and partake but can't in good conscience do any real arm twisting.


    In any event, I'll keep calling and laying the groundwork so if California does legalize we are a step ahead and can act quickly.


    Open to ANY ideas, feedback or resources you folks may have that I don't. Just so you guys know...one of the problems I've been running into is that the Rainbow Family has sown a lot of bad blood with some of their smaller events and burned more than one campground owner. That's one of the driving reasons for seeking a sponsorship to add validity.


    cheers,
     
  4. EvilSkuzzi

    EvilSkuzzi Sweet Guy

    Who are the Rainbow Family?
     
  5. ncmaineac

    ncmaineac Harvested Fat Sticky Bud

    Rainbow


    me thinks its the queers ..oops gays......
     
  6. RkyMtnWayHigh69

    RkyMtnWayHigh69 2010 NAGC Winner

    RR, I understand your concern for a property owner being liable for anything that might happen, but we have a few towns were POT IS LEGAL!


    Alma, CO which is the highest incorporated town in the USA, will be voting on TOTAL legalization on the 29th of April 2010. It would allow all residents of this beautiful mountain town to GROW and POSSESS and SMOKE pot, but selling it would be illegal, unless it was medicinal and done properly through a caregiver or dispensary. ;)


    And to top it all off, Alma's zip code is 80420 . . . I'm going to make this my big project to convince you all that this is the best spot to hold such an event.


    As a matter of fact, Alma, is holding the 1st Annual THC Festival, this August and it's all about smoking pot in the open with all sorts of other growers and smokers.


    I have to get out the door, or I'd type a lot more great stuff about Alma, but you can all go check it out yourselves. ;)


    I have contacts with local authorities in that area, and will be on speaking with them this week, regarding an event like we're thinking. ;)


    Check out Alma, and tell me it's not the place to hold this event. ;)


    Plus, Breckenridge is just 10 miles away and they have already LEGALIZED pot and it's not a big deal at all to be in the MJ community. EVERYONE grows pot up there!


    http://www.thcmusicfestival.com/
     
  7. teamster6

    teamster6 Guest

    Would love such a event! I am wondering though what would stop the feds from visiting a party like this??? State legal but not federal. Kind of a scary thought.


    :beerchug-2:


    Teamster6
     
  8. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    The rainbow family is basically a big bunch of hippies who hold a gathering every year in various forests. The group GFE came out of the events. Problem is you get that many drugged up people together, you don't get Woodstock, you get a bunch of pissed off natives.
     
  9. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    They're a quasi organized group of yippie/hippie folk who generally gather on BLM land or public forests for a weekend or a week. Some are cool but there are a few groups who invade private campgrounds unannounced and trash the place, skip on the rent, smoke weed in the public areas and generally annoy the other campers. They had a large gathering here in MN quite awhile back on Federal Forest land that left trash, abandoned tarps, makeshift structures and open pit latrines in their wake when they got together. It was a real mess in a very sensitive Federal Forest area. Pissed off a lot of locals and generally left them totally unwelcome in our neck of the woods.


    More than once in my calls when I bring up that I'm thinking of an MJ event I've been asked if this is like a Rainbow Family gig. The camp owners I've talked to want nothing to do with them or anybody associated with them.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Family


    http://www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/index.html
     
  10. rasganjah

    rasganjah True Ganjaman

    I have to speak up on behalf of the rainbow family since I am affiliated and know many rainbow family members. The rainbow family as it is often called is a loosely connected group of naturists/hippies that do not ever rent a campground first of all! Their whole philosophy is to use the national lands set aside for public uses. I know this because I tried to offer to rent a campground for a weekend Rainbow get together and none of the rainbow fam elders would even consider it since it goes against the free everything or barter system that they live by. That being said I do know that there are some people out there that would like to paint us in a negative light. I want to make it clear that first of all the rainbow family is not an organization and has no leader or board of directors. We have been at odds with the National Forest Service for years and years, over the use of public lands for gatherings of people associated and labeled as Rainbow Family. The Government wants to "Legitimize" the Rainbow Fam so that they can collect taxes and fees from an organization for having gatherings on public lands. They have been a thorn in our sides for many years. The people of most of the towns near any of the rainbow families gatherings are usually more than happy to have us there since we do spend money in the towns for supplies and that brings a boom of revenues to the townsfolk of these usually small towns near a National Forest. At the gatherings themselves there is no exchange of money, everything is on a barter system. You trade goods for other goods and the entire gathering is free, that's right FREE. No tickets are sold and there are no vendors. It's just a large get together of like minded individuals that are exercising their rights to peaceable assembly under our US constitution. The entire gathering is coordinated by volunteers and invitations are spread by word of mouth. No advertisements are done everything is donation based and given by volunteers. Food, shelter, and entertainment are all FREE to ANYONE who would like to attend. It really is a true gathering OF LOVE.:thumbs-up:


    That's not to say that there have not been any negative experiences over the years that have been tagged and attached to the Rainbow Family but keep in mind that any group of hippies could be labeled as Rainbow Family since there is no official organization called THE RAINBOW FAMILY it's a little hard to put the blame for a bad experience by one campground owner on a group of people who are spread out across not just the USA but the entire world! and has thousands and thousands of supporters and participants(not members) worldwide. There ae many Rainbow Gatherings in every corner of the world, from Europe to Thailand, and South America. You name the place and there are Rainbow Family there.


    As for our little cup, I would say that almost any little town along the coast of Northern Cali would be pretty receptive to our event. Arcata is a nice little town but in October it's pretty cool and gray since it's right on the coast. There are other towns a little further inland that would probably be just as Marijuana Friendly. Redway, Garberville, Benbow are all right in the heart of the Redwood Forests and I have attended huge reggae concerts in these towns. Lots of nice campgrounds and hotels in the area. They are right on highway 101 and easily accessible for travelers. I particularly like Redwood River Resort as a destination. A very scenic campground with cabins and a lodge for holding events. You might look into the area a little bit. Arcata is a college town as well so that should be taken into consideration that the college population will be all over the town in October. Just a few thoughts, hope there is some useful info there.
     
  11. rasganjah

    rasganjah True Ganjaman

    As for the trash left behind at that gathering I can't say too much. We just had a gathering last summer in New Mexico that went perfect! There is a specific group of volunteers that come in early and help with setup of the infrastructure and stay for a week after to clean up. Our focus is on preserving the land for future generations. We do everything in our power to keep the masses of people from leaving any mess behind and the volunteers do extensive clean up to restore the forest to it's natural state. There will always be those among the masses that have no respect for what the Rainbow Family is all about(Peace, Love, and Naturism) and their actions will reflect upon the rest of in a negative light. That is true of almost any large group of people, there are always a few bad apples in the bunch.
     
  12. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Sorry about the double post guys...had to think on Rky's thoughts for a few.


    Alma is a cool town, been through there more than once and Breck has a great Jazz fest too. If you decide to follow the Colo route my initial thoughts are that any entries would need to be Colo natives with cards as would the judges. No matter what the local ordinances are there are still county and state statutes to abide with. Local law is without question subordinate to State laws. The reason MJ is moving forward on a state level is that there is plausible argument to made for Constitutional State's Rights on the issue. No such argument exists for local ordinance.


    In Cali there is still the risk of Fed intrusion but that is much lower than a Park County Sheriff or Colorado State DEA goon getting the idea to pull down a few heads and boost his/her resume.


    I will say this tho....for a simple meet and greet for GKers it would be an excellent spot. Shuttles run back and forth from the Denver airport to Breck and Vail all day long for around $50-$60. If I went I'd be happy to make a few runs for free. I do know of a couple huge private lodges around Dillon/Silverthorne that sleep 20-38 people for around $650-$900 per night. Split that between 20 to 38 folks and it's only $23-$35 per night. Can't even camp that cheap.


    A big drawback is that it's a bitch of a drive for any east coasters. Too bad Kansas is so fucking boring.
     
  13. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Ras- Jah bless and much respect to you man. I'm just speaking from my limited experience and am sure there have been good and bad events. As we all know, it only takes a few to screw up the reputation of the entire group. Here in my state it was a bad one and the land owners I've spoken to are almost universally adamant against anything associated with them.


    Had already checked on a few of the locations you mentioned and will follow up further. Thanks for the heads up on Arcata re. college town. Hadn't realized that.....could prove problematic....don't know if thats a boon or bane. Hate to actually say it out loud, but weed and college kids brings booze and stupidity with it. Not exactly the best combination to set the tone for a respectful event.


    cheers,
     
  14. CCrete

    CCrete Mr. Poopyfacepeepeehead

    I come from a family of over the road truckers.....IM GOOD! and im IN! Only thing is, you might be able to smell my truck from Kansas, wich may create some excitement :roffl: :nanner-2:
     
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  15. RkyMtnWayHigh69

    RkyMtnWayHigh69 2010 NAGC Winner

    I'll wait until after the April 29th vote, then I can be alittle more persistent on stating my facts.


    I LOVE :GK:, But, I've EVER seen anything here on :GK:, that even compares to what ALOT of growers are doing here in Colorado, and California I'm sure.


    I'm not saying it doesn't happen that a :GK:er here and there, pumps out a few hundred pounds, but on the average, we only work in single pounds and possibly 10's of pounds, if we're feeling risky, at the most.


    I seem to think the average :GK:er would pull somewhere around 5 pounds a year . . . Thats NOTHING the feds are going to pursue without local jurisdictions requesting their interdiction.


    And the Local Park County Sheriff's are in total compliance with town laws and leave that to them to enforce unless, again, they ask for assistance.


    I lived in Fairplay for several years, late in the 20th Century. :laugh:(It sounds funny saying it like that.), and I feel very confident about the areas security.


    But, like I said before . . . I want to make sure the law goes into effect and then we can debate this further.


    I'm not against doing this in California, but I just want it to be in the most MJ friendly area possible, and I'm not fully convinced that it isn't the Alma area. ;)


    Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and comments. ;)


    If we get this thing going, it's going to be a BLAST, no matter where it is. ;)
     
  16. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Here's an idea Rky. Any Cup event would have to be late 2011 at the absolute earliest since Cali still has to vote and enact the referendum. What say we look to a preliminary planning meeting in the Alma/Breck area? I know if a Cup is to be a reality that I'll need help in logistics and planning. A casual gathering would be an excellent start to get volunteers, ideas and delegate some of the load.
     
  17. RkyMtnWayHigh69

    RkyMtnWayHigh69 2010 NAGC Winner

    Yea, yea! I'm totally into anything we come up with.


    I just want the all around best location for the event and being in the middle of the country would make it alot easier for more people to attend.


    I know the laws here are friendly enough to pull something like this off without worrying about the legal aspect of it, too much.


    Let's see how the votes turn out and we can go from there.


    But, I will FULLY support and be willing to assist in any way possible, wherever we might choose to do this Cup, if at all. ;)
     
  18. AverageJoe

    AverageJoe papa oom mow mow

    What he said :thumbsup:
     
  19. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    I think this is a great idea, more so for us that have been around for a while. However, this is going to take A LOT of planning, and I believe 1. We are getting ahead of ourselves 2. We need a committee of a few people from the west, east, and mid states to make this happen 3. We REALLY need to look into some legal information in whatever state we go to 4. We need to find a way to plan this off the site, and even then it worries me a little.


    But I hope this all works, me and the lady love to travel. :smoke2:
     
  20. AverageJoe

    AverageJoe papa oom mow mow

    I think part of the reason these things never work out is because they are over thought.


    If this is just a big GK get together for the purpose of planning future events and to just hang out and :beerchug-2: :passsit: for a day or two, then it shouldn't be that complicated, and we shouldn't make it so. It's a weed party, not a tea party. :jj:


    We first find our host and city. We announce that we are having a camping/hotel/private residence party in X city on X day. Those interested can post up make travel arrangements among each other. Exact location should be sent by direct invitation just prior to the event, and not revealed publicly. Whoever makes it, makes it. That's pretty much whats going to happen anyway.
     

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