man, you think this is bad, you must have missed half the threads this last year....he is an evil man, apparently..... I am still not sure how six years of state legislative experience, and two years of federal legislative experience, on top of being highly educated isn't enough to be president. President can't take your guns, courts can, but they won't. But, I know, we are heading towards that great dictatorship in the sky, so the courts don't matter. I am kinda looking forward to the revolution, didn't want a "real" job in the first place. I am sticking with my usual suspension of judgment, and the idea that the president can't do shit for the most part anyway, but I'll be happy to agree with yall once the riots start (hope I get a new tv out of the deal....and a solar panel to run it...). I also find it interesting that close to 80% of the world thinks Obama will be good for us, and them, yet a good majority of this country thinks he is evil incarnate. Honestly, I kinda hope both the parties keep falling apart, let us thirds have a crack at it.
dead serious capt, and im no redneck......far from it. the right to bear arms made sure that britain wouldnt try and take us back.... without the right to bear arms there would be no free america.....it keeps our government in check if you will.......do you think it is an unimportant right??? id love to hear your side. :callme:
You are 100 percent right. The 2nd amendment is the most important right we have. It is the only right we have that grants us the power to secure the other rights. It shows the sorry job our schools have done, that someone could call you a redneck for just being a true American.
Actually that's only partially true. If it had not been for France being a bigger pain in the ass than we 'Americans' the Brits would have kicked the living shit out of us. That's history friends...it's just not well known because we like to think that a bunch of 'terrorists' (our fore fathers) took down the super power of that era. France took the brunt of Britain's force which allowed our fore fathers to do what they did. Read up on history if you don't believe it.
Though I believe we should have and keep the right bear arms, I believe our greatest right, is the right to vote.
Speaking from an Aussies view, Obama dedfinately had all the right things to say, smooth if you will. I have great respect for those who have served their country so I believe MCCain would have put his heart into the job but I do think its time to find a better way. Australians have had gun laws up the arse for years, (since the gov.t framed Martyn Bryant in Tassie) and its rediculous, however, an Ak47 is not a hunting or varmint gun if you understand what Im saying?? I suppose I am glad to see Obama win and I only hope he stands by his words as the whole worlds economy is pretty well ballencing on his choices.
In America, having all the "right" things to say, and being a "smooth talker" makes obama a pimp, not the president. I Agree there had to be a better way than mccain, unfortunately we didn't pick it. I am sorry to hear about your gun laws. Things are a bit different here I think. We don't have the right to keep and bare "hunting and varmint guns". We gave ourselves this right out of fear for what a government could become, and do to its own people. If we the people only have bb guns then the right doesn't mean much. As long as the varmints are carrying m16s why shouldn't citizens have ak47s? peace
All the guns in the US didn't enforce our 'choice' when Bush stole his presidency. Guns are useless when people have become complacent.
Cant sit on the sidelines as this thread turns Off topic from the original header but I'll throw in my two cents. The Second Amendment is considered by many conservative Constitutional scholars to be THE conerstone to the entire early document. It does not simply state that we, as Americans, can have a rifle to hunt with or a small caliber handgun for home or personal defense. As was put so eloquently by James Madison: "Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the state governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops." The intent was always for citizen protection from government excesses not allowed in the Constitution and infringement upon the other personal and rights specifically granted. Without the Second Amendment there is no ultimately no way to enforce or protect the greatest document ever created to address the freedom of mankind. Obviously just my humble opinion. Cheers,,
We agree......odd.... Guns are not a solution to a problem. They are a tool, a means to an end. All the guns in the world can not save you from a tyrant. A dictator has their power because the people let him, not because the people didn't kill him. You kill one dictator, another comes into power, probably from among your own. Democracy requires something different because it is a vague idea that has never been practiced to its full potential. On top of being a new nation, there is a new world out there, a new era, which this, our new nation, has helped create. We've got to stop this us verses the government bullshit, this north verses the south, christian verses non, worker verses elite, stoner verses alcoholic...wait, that is just a bad bar fight..... No, we shouldn't be all the same, autonomy is key, but why not agree to simply that, autonomy, and try to fucking work together so that we can be ourselves. We have a powerful government, not only in the terms of THEIR power, but OURS. If you don't think so, start researching some other countries laws. Most of us would be in jail, and probably not for marijuana. Obama may be worse or the same as Bush, but shouldn't we try to work with this system to change it rather than waiting for it fail, forcing the guns out when it could have been resolved with a little initiative?
May I ask why you think he is taking your guns??? If you are worried about losing your rights, that already started when bush signed the patriot act
For Obama to pick this hard-charging Emanuel which is Obama's first major post-election decision...?? Seems to go against all he preached on his campaign trail now doesn't it?? How will this go with his many promises to unite red and blue America?? I knew he was full of hot air! If he wanted to change things then do not hire the old who have been there....clean house! Lion, you are right on the fact if he messes up like I think he will, it will give the 3rd party a chance in our future. I do think he can be more lethal then Bush for the man is not stupid. MrGreen...love your new avy!!! :icon_bounce:
I was sincerely hoping that a third party had a chance in THIS election. After what Bush pulled in 2000/2004 and then again in 2006 when the Dems failed miserably to make any sort of 'change' to the 'system' I had hope that people would wake up. They keep going back and forth as if one of the two parties is going to bring change that the other would not bring. This nation is bi-polar and it's time we got out of the rut we find ourselves in rather than flip-flopping from one party back to the other. Problem is it's going to take severe hardship to get people to act. Just this morning I saw a client of mine who is hard core Democrat.....she tells me that the economy will get better after Obama steps in....LMAO! She didn't believe me when I told her that nothing would change. I guess time will tell, but the mess we find ourselves in as a nation is above what either party can fix.....after all....they created it. ottytrain1:
Lets just say that he has the highest percentage of all the presidents for an a@@asination attempt. The thing that pissed me off the most about the whole election is the race issue. I am so sick of the black and white issue. The media spent more time on the fact that he is African American, instead of on his politics. The biggest kicker to it all is the fact that he is not African American. He is bi-racial. None the less it doesn't matter who got in office nothing will change. He is just getting all the problems that are all ready there. If the ones in office now can't fix it, why does anyone think someone new will. Is he gonna wave a magic wand or something. Its just seems like a lot hopes, dreams, smoke, and mirrors to me.
you sure may ask..... i think hes a socialist, he wants an unarmed America.... hed be hard pressed to completely strip the second but i do believe gun laws will become harsh, almost to the point that obtaining one legally will be next to impossible. the patriot act can lick the balls to herb...i believe you that france took a brunt of the force as you say and also played part in making sure britain didnt try to come back over but that coupled with the fact that we were an armed country pretty much sealed the deal. which again is why i believe its the most important right....even moreso than the right to vote, i dont believe the general publics vote holds merit anyways but thats jus my opinion. i totally agree about the third party thing though, i think America definitely needs to wake up to this....ill be honest, i didnt vote for either barack or john mccain this year, call it a waste of a vote but i think a third party is exactly the "change" we need. how true, never once did i hear them report the fact that he belonged to the New party, which was established by the democratic socialist of america. i jus dont see this guy as being good for the country right now.
Ok...now that Palin is FINALLY gone.....I can play devil's advocate on Obama. You may thank me now Mermaid. Obama: return to elite status quo
