Trayvon Martin - Zimmerman Trail

Its not a low blow, the Thor comment. It was attempt to acknowledge another atheist. Obviously not received as such. I made a comment in another thread on your fsm.


I raised my son to ask questions, be aware, be honest to a fault and judge no one by profiling them. To your question, If my son was stalked, by a stranger in the night while buying snacks. Then questioned by that person, who is NOT law enforcement. I would hope he would do anything he could to escape that situation. This idea of neighbor, looking out for neighbor. Rally against the 'boogy man' is just as much crap as 'zombie' targets on shooting ranges. What is the zombie? Who decides? The person with the pre conceived notion decides. In this case zimmerman pursued a child (by that I mean a 17yo mentally and of experience, if you will) not just a number. Zimmerman was the adult who got out of his car with pre conceived notions of what his 'monster' was he pursued him and killed him. What is so hard for you to grasp. Tryvon did nothing wrong. and is now dead.


It is not about his past. He was not committing a crime. Do you have a child nippie? If so how old? How would you feel if your child was dead for buying snacks? There only 'crime' as you put it..was sucker punching a stranger who was following him? How would you feel.


We can remain cool man. You don't need to send it PM. Im not like that, I don't jump in on a lot of these kinda topics, well because quite frankly I don't have the time or energy. But this one is different. I feel very strong about kids who are unarmed being killed by adult vigilantes playing cop. Oh and because I have a son his age, who by the way is going to serve just as his father, uncle, both grandfathers. So, again spare me the 'murica act, of, this was a neighbor looking out for a neighbor.


There is no defense for killing someone over a fistfight. None.


b4e.:thumbsup:

 

WHOA! This got out of hand. I'd send his ass to jail. I don't care what this kid did before the day he got shot. He wasn't doing anything wrong at the time. He was being stalked. Just like if I killed 20 people but got arrested for 1 that I didn't do. Should I go to jail? I should but not according to the law. The 20 that I wasn't caught for has no meaning to the charge of the one I didn't do. Now following an "innocent" kid, yep a kid. 17 years old. Can't legally drink, smoke, vote or fuck. A kid. With a hoodie. Oh I see. A hoodie. Fuck him, SHOOT! Zimmerman had no right to follow him, stop him, ask him any questions. Zimmerman called the cops, as he has done NUMEROUS times and didn't like what he was told by the cops. He took matters into his own hands. Sucks to be him. He should have minded his own business. I don't want to hear about "defending your neighborhood. That's a load of shit. If he was protecting his hood, he would have had a buddy with him, there's a reason why cops have partners, and would have "detained" him till the cops showed up. If this dude was following me around, I would have confronted him too. If I didn't like what he said after I confronted him and he didn't leave me alone, I would have beat the shit out of him too except I wouldn't have let him get his gun out.

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lvstickybud again.asssit:asssit:

 

Zimmerman should be found guilty.

 

I haven't been following enough to know Florida's options, but I think it should be something like Manslaughter with time served with unsupervised probation with no gun for a number of years...six seems good.


I think he was wrong and was a pussy for what he did, no hero.


I don't think TM did anything wrong either.


But I don't think Zimmerman meant to do what he meant to do.


If we get the full testimony later, I may be completely on the side of guilty, but a lot of stuff has been left out.


The one thing about our justice system; if there is any doubt in the Jury's mind then they should be set free.

 

6'-3" over 160 lbs. with a attitude is not a kid. -Bud

 

imo, he's an overzealous wannabe cop but that isn't a crime. like the defense said yesterday, trayvon had 4 minutes from the time Zimmerman hung up with 911 until a neighbor first called 911 due to the commotion. if you're a scared kid with a running headstart in the dark you can get away in 4 minutes most likely. trayvon made the decision to confront him and the evidence shows he attacked Zimmerman first, not that he was shot down in cold blood. if Zimmerman hadn't had a weapon he'd most likely be dead for being a little overzealous and for wanting to keep his neighborhood safe. it's a sad thing that it happened but I fail to see the racism angle or how Zimmerman could be guilty of anything except protecting himelf. if trayvon martin was on trial i guarantee you he'd be tried as an adult so how convenient that he is a "child" now. one of the state's points was that he was on the phone to his friend, if he was scared of Zimmerman why didn't he hang up and call 911 himself? he made the decision to act aggressively, his choice and it cost him his life. the kid thought he was a thug and the reality is, thugs don't tend to be around long

 

Nip, the fireman theory, if a fireman dies fighting a fire that is burning due to a crime being committed, it's manslaughter. If the fire is intentionaly set, it's murder.


My feelings on Zimmerman won't change no matter how other's see it. Those are my feelings and what I think is right. (just re-read this. lol. not that what I think is right but how I think is right to me. Make sense?) I don't want to seem like I know everything about the law. I have been around tho and have seen things and experienced them. That is where my feelings come in and how I think. He'll probably get manslaughter but if I was the prosecuter, I would have charged him with 2nd degree also. I didn't see their options. I know that chick got away with murdering her kid because they went for murder 1 and only murder 1 with no other options. Dumb. You must give the jury a chance to say, "Well they didn't mean it, it just happened, which would have opened them up to either 2nd degree or manslaughter instead of 1st or not guilty.


Ashley, an overzealous wannabe cop is a dangerous thing. Give him a gun besides? DANGER WILL ROBISON! DANGER! Even the cops don't like them. They're a crime waiting to be committed.

 

Size don't mean shit. I was 6'3" 260 lbs in high school my sophomore year. I was still just a kid. asssit:

 

That's what a lot of women say but you know their laying:roffl::roffl: -Bud

 

On a side note; you have to remember, a really good prosecuter can get an innocent man convicted and a really good defense attorney can get a guilty man found innocent.

 

It's not how deep you fish, it's how you wiggle your worm that counts.

 

that pretty much sums it up I'd say......well said B4E


Thing is, we have no clue what the evidence is cuz we grow WEED, aint a lawyer in here, not even close


and Nip, I grew up in mayberry man....I just had a psycho family and was on the bottom of the ladder looking up, tossed around like popcorn at the movies....I just speak from reality point as I see the ways play out as far as 1,2,3,4,5 step process