Trayvon Martin - Zimmerman Trail

That's the thing though, Martin was on top pounding when he shot. At what point do you shoot? Do you wait til you get knocked out? At what point do you think you can shoot to save your life?


Because you have to realize, if he wouldn't have shoot, his injuries would have been much worse....it's not like TM was done at the moment Zimm fired.


So at what point do you defend yourself? Also did you read the article I posted early in the thread, 13/14 years old beat a man (almost to death at the time because they were bored)...the man finally died. You guys act like you can't get beat to death....odds are you are 2.5 x's more likely to get beat to death, that shot by any rifle (including ARs/Aks).


So I ask again, what injury allows you to shoot? Isn't that the point of self defense...to "escape" Great Bodily Harm? Or are you suppose to wait until you get a hospital report showing that "x" amount of bones are broken before you can shoot?


Zimmerman didn't even get a punch off, he was sucker punched...dropped like a sack of potatoes then the ground and pound started....that's when he fired. So if you are in Zimmermans shoes, when do you shoot? How do you know this person isn't trying to beat you to death? Specially if you think it's the person breaking into all the houses recently including ones with people in there. You are walking, then sucker punched breaking your nose (this also blinds you, I can tell you this from experience) then you have someone bashing your head onto the concrete, then ground and pounding you....at what point can you shoot? Do you just hope that they don't kill you?


It's easy to play monday morning QB, look at the facts at that moment....I would have fired too

 

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at least someone gets what I am saying...WTF, no one wants to answer that question that thinks Zimmerman is guilty.


This wasn't stand your ground, this was some guy getting the shit kicked out of him screaming for help like a little girl. He had a gun and that's the only thing that saved him from "great bodily harm" which isn't even the legal threshold, the legal threshold is "you fear great bodily harm".


Since the law is suppose to be applied equally in every case, what case meets the defin of self defense? Exactly what injuries do you think you should have before you use lethal force? Because the first person that say fist should only be fought with fists....then go step in the ring with Tyson or a MMA guy and let them beat the fuck out of you.


Not this cracker.....if I think I might not go home...someone is leaving in a body bag.

 

semi, one in the chamber...most pistols don't have safety's on them anymore....depends on what state you live in, the vast majority that I see just have the "safe action trigger", but I think different states require different things....but not here or in florida, no safety needed. Hell mine doesn't even have mag safety on it meaning even if there's no clip you are still good to go. The only real safety is don't have your finger on the trigger


Zimm's KelTec (prefer m&p sheild myself)





And I think most everyone that carries has one in the chamber, that's the point, because you might not have time to load.


And he obvis didn't get a punch in, they took pictures of his hands with no injuries and the only injury TM had was a single bullet wound to the chest.

 

JR, fuck the people making racist shit out of it, has nothing to do with it.


I've been seeing reports all over the country of rioters doing shit in the name of trayvon, like they even gave the slight fuck about the kid....just a reason for them to act like assholes if you ask me

 

Having someone see where you are going doesn't justify kicking their ass....seriously how can you possibly think that's ok? You think if someone looks your direction, or even stairs at you, you should ambush them....who's the pussy? Why hide and sucker punch people?


MAybe I'm missing something, down south people don't die in fist fights?


And I'm no pussy, but in the same exact scenerio I'd shoot too.....without a doubt.


You telling me lion if someone just started whipping your ass that you didn't even see coming, youd just say ok, please don't take it to far?


I'm still waiting to hear when someone can legally shoot someone....would really be interested in that

 

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Dont know all about the quaint gun laws you guys have but id imagine if someone is armed and entering an altercation then you can shoot them dead on sight 10 out of 10 times? If the other persons unarmed then it boils down to proportionate violence,reasonable force or whatever you guys call it over there.


Personally speaking id have pistol whipped the kid a few times then held him at gun point. Or,and this is a novel idea us Brits are only stupid enough to suggest- He coulda fired a warning shot in any direction except Treyvons


Zimmerman says when he was struggling he could see neighbours out and he heard one say they were ringing 911 so Zimmerman knew he wasnt gonna be killed ,id suggest when he realised there were witnesses who saw him on his back getting a pounding that this is when he deemed it reasonable to shoot cos he now has witnesses. Zimmermans a pussy,but due to the fact hes a pussy then MAYBE he did believe he was gonna die there and then,maybe he got hit in the head few times and was panicking. At the end of the day it dont matter what our opinion is of the guy,he did what the law enables and allows him to do which is shoot if he fears for his life. He profiled the kid cos of race but no way did he shoot him cos of race,i believe zimmerman woulda shot a white or mexican kid i n the same circumstances. The guys not guilty by a jury of his peers and people should respect the jurys informed decision and move on form it.If people are disgruntled then protests for a change in the law or some shit but not guilty is not guilty to me. Least he dont have to have double jeopardy laws hanging over his head. You all know my opinion on this but all the same the Jury is the most informed people in the case and theres a bunch of them who all think differently,if they came to a not guilty conclusion then accept it and move on.


Shit happens. Zimmermans on red alert for the rest of his life unless he moves somewhere where theres no black people:5eek: Sad for Treyvon to lose his life over actions caused by zimmerman.Thats where the culpability starts and ends. But if by law what he did originally didnt make him culpable then it IS self defence. Its PUSSY self defence but STILL self defence:jj:

 

a boy :rofl6:


yea he was 5 y/o.


I don't know about you, but I was in better shape at 17 then just about any other time in my life....a boy :roffl: