US / World Economy in Trouble

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Administrator, Feb 20, 2008.

  1. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    I prefer mine trimmed thanks. :smokin:
     
  2. nikoatnight

    nikoatnight Full Flowering

    lmao good one !
     
  3. Randy High

    Randy High Organic Alumni

    I was waiting for a "Legs are optional" post..


    LOL
     
  4. nikoatnight

    nikoatnight Full Flowering

    tooooo funny that like teeth or no teeth:icon_bounce:
     
  5. Useless

    Useless Diogenes Reincarnate

    As a good friend from Oz. used to say


    "The only proper place bush belongs, is in the outback!"
     
  6. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    I'd love to see Bush (Dubya that is) WAY out in the outback. Can't think of a better place for him except maybe Siberia. :smokin:
     
  7. Useless

    Useless Diogenes Reincarnate

    HAHA. That's why it's such a good saying. No matter your reference, it still holds true. heh heh heh.


    Remember the first Harold and Kumar movie? H & K go to White Castle?


    In the opening scen Kumar is wearing a t-shirt that says "I LOVE BUSH, (the pussy, not the president)"
     
  8. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    [​IMG]British prime minister: recession likely in UK




    Recession fears, weak earnings stoke stock selling

    Crisis pounds emerging markets, summit set November15

    Lawmakers blast credit rating agencies

    Wachovia reports $23.9 billion loss

     
  9. EvilSkuzzi

    EvilSkuzzi Sweet Guy

    You can make a lot of money from recession ;)
     
  10. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    Job losses accelerating, and the worst is ahead




    Greenspan denies blame for crisis, admits 'flaw'

    Stocks dive on belief global recession is at hand




    OPEC slashes production; crude continues to tumble

     
  11. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    Stock markets in free fall on gathering global gloom

     
  12. snickelfritz

    snickelfritz Weed College Hall Monitor

    Fear, chaos hits markets


    AP



    Stocks, oil, gold tank on growing recession fears


    Friday October 24, 11:09 am ET


    By Patrick Rizzo and Ellen Simon, Associated Press Writers


    Stock market rout spreads around the world as recession worries turn to dismay NEW YORK (AP) -- Stock markets around the world plummeted Friday and oil prices plunged to their lowest in more than a year. Even gold, the traditional safe haven in times of panic, fell sharply.The common denominator was growing fears that governments, central banks and finance ministers seem powerless to stop the deepening of a global recession that will slam corporate earnings and lead to deep job losses around the world.


    The Dow Jones industrial average dropped more than 330 points in morning trading. Before the open of New York trading, Dow futures had dropped 550 points, triggering a temporary trading halt in stock futures contracts in an effort to slow the decline. If the Dow drops 1,100 points before 2 p.m. the New York Stock Exchange would be forced to use "circuit breakers" that could lead to temporarily shutting the market, something it hasn't done since 1997.


    "This is beyond volatile: It is chaotic," Carl Weinberg, chief economist at High Frequency Economics wrote in note to clients. "This is the kind of day when the central banks step into the market with an 'unexpected' interest rate move to calm things down."


    Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is monitoring the markets and staying in close touch with market participants, a spokeswoman said.


    Oil fell sharply and traded near $63 a barrel amid weakening global demand for crude -- despite a decision by the OPEC cartel to cut production quotas by 1.5 million barrels a day from next month.


    The dollar plunged below 93 yen, a 13-year low. Gold fell as low as $681 an ounce, its lowest since January last year.


    It was already a black Friday overseas. Japan's Nikkei stock average dropped 9.6 percent. Germany's benchmark DAX index plunged as much as 10.8 percent, France's CAC40 slid 10 percent and Britain's FTSE 100 shed 8.7 percent.


    "We are getting used to wild swings in the markets, but today's moves verge on the bizarre," said Julian Jessop, chief international economist at Capital Economics.


    The only good news was the 5.5 percent increase in September existing home sales. Median home prices, however, dropped to $191,600, down 9 percent from a year ago.


    The U.K.'s third quarter gross domestic product fell 0.5 percent, with the steepest decrease in 18 years putting the country on the brink of recession. Shares of Japan's Sony sank more than 14 percent when it slashed its earnings forecast for the fiscal year. In Germany, Daimler's stock dropped 11.4 percent in morning trading; it reported lower third-quarter earnings and abandoned its 2008 profit and revenue guidance.


    Emerging market economies and currencies are coming under extreme pressure. Investors are pulling money out of countries in Eastern Europe, Latin America and Asia on fears vulnerable countries will not only be hit hard by the financial crisis but may also default on debt.


    Hong Kong's Hang Seng index fell 8.3 percent and markets in India, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines were also down sharply.


    Brazilian stocks slumped for the fourth straight day, with the Ibovespa index down 3.9 percent in midday trading. Mexico's benchmark index was down 6 percent.


    "Periods of panic punctuated by occasional calm appears to be the manner of things for now," said Daragh Maher, a strategist at Calyon Corporate and Investment Bank in London.


    Investors around the world seemingly have become more convinced the global economy is on the brink of a long and painful recession, if it's not already in one.


    Over the past few weeks, governments have taken unprecedented steps to thaw frozen credit markets and avert the downturn. But while there are signs that credit markets are beginning to thaw -- rates banks charge each other for short-term loans have been falling in recent days -- the outlook from companies reporting earnings are almost universally cautious about their prospects going forward.


    That means companies will be reluctant to buy new equipment or hire new workers. U.S. unemployment claims, already well into recession territory, are rising even faster than expected. Economists warn the worst is yet to come.


    On Thursday, the government said new applications for unemployment insurance rose 15,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted 478,000, above analysts' estimates of 470,000. Jobless claims above 400,000 are considered a sign of recession.


    Goldman Sachs, Chrysler and Xerox all announced they were cutting workers by the thousands, adding to the woes of an economy beset by tighter credit and wobbly banks. Chrysler said it would cut about 5,000 salaried workers, one quarter of the company's 18,500-person white collar work force.


    PNC Financial Services said it is acquiring National City bank for $5.8 billion and planned to receive $7.7 billion in capital from the federal government as part of its $700 billion financial rescue plan.


    The White House, in unusually stark language, acknowledged Thursday the economy is going through what spokeswoman Dana Perino called a "rough ride."


    "We expect our GDP (gross domestic product) number next week not to be a good one and the next quarter to be tough as well," Perino said.


    The Commerce Department will release its first estimate of third-quarter economic performance Oct. 30, and Wall Street analysts project it will show the economy contracted by 0.5 percent, according to Thomson/IFR.


    Many economists expect the decline to continue into the current quarter and the first three months of 2009, if not longer. The classic definition of a recession is at least two consecutive quarters of negative growth.


    Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, testifying before a House committee, said he could not see "how we can avoid a significant rise in layoffs and unemployment."


    The apparently universal gloomy outlook was feeding the selling.


    The Standard & Poor's 500 was down 33.29, or 3.6 percent, to 874.82. Sam Stovall, S&P's chief investment strategist, put a 700 target on the index, saying S&P's equity analysts expect operating results for the 500 large companies to decline 10 percent in 2008.


    Associated Press writers Stevenson Jacobs in New York, Louis Watt and Carlo Piovano in London and Martin Crutsinger, Christopher S. Rugaber and Marcy Gordon in Washington contributed to this report.
     
  13. ClayStreet

    ClayStreet Gypsy

    And in Local News:


    companies big and small are cutting back hours for workers. I'm going to 32 hours a week next week, probably for a long time. when I asked what the hell to my boss, she simply said "it's the economy". They are even writing up people who go even .01 overtime hours on their weekly time. Gotta love corporate america.


    Too bad they didn't give the $700 Billion to taxpayers to boost the economy. Kind of reminds me of the end of titanic when they left the poor to die while the rich scurried for the boats.
     
  14. nikoatnight

    nikoatnight Full Flowering

    poor die rich live that's how it goes :angry:
     
  15. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    One good thing about the restaurant industry: People may be poor, but they are too fucking lazy to cook themselves. :smoke2:
     
  16. Mermaid

    Mermaid ~Sea Of Green~

    LMAO...:roll:


    Amen brother....lol Even Mickey Dee's went up in stocks....shessh!


    You are dead on about ppl being too lazy too cook.


    Clay, now see I think ppl like you who truly want to work and they are cutting back hours well just sucks! :( So sorry and hope things on your end gets better......hopefully something will go your way or you get a break man!!


    And I suppose they want MORE work in less hours on top of it all?? Sad thing is companies are all folding up all over.


    I agree on the bail out... was a waste of the tax payers money which my kids and their kids will pay for. Can you imagine had they bailed out the factories, small town business and companies which have over a hundred employess? You would not be in the pickle your in and all the money they spent we will never see ....but the fat cats will. How many families would that had helped if they bailed out those in need??


    This is why they need to clean house in DC and we as Americans need to stop voting for these losers locally and in state who never represent the little hard working people. ;)
     
  17. ClayStreet

    ClayStreet Gypsy

    I think I need to change jobs then and go for a restaurant/chef/waiter kinda thing. :)


    Yea Mermaid I told my boss "too bad this company can't afford me" right after she said that about the economy.. I then said that it's a shame that they have to take it out on the working class first. As I am getting to a point in my life where I just say what I feel and to hell with morals. :lmao: About 5 months ago the company had cut back hours on everyone that lasted 2 months. I remembered how morale went down the toilet, customer service as well, and the employees are getting to the point where who wants to do a good job anymore when we won't get much out of a paycheck anyway? They want us to work the job of 3 people, and get paid less than 1. There's no incentives to be a good worker other than just doing the bare minimum to keep your job. And I'm damn sure I'm not the only one across the world suffering from this corporate standard.


    This is why the thoughts of sitting at home on welfare seems a much better idea. Because the limited jobs available treat us like shit anyway, cut our hours, and replace us when they see fit. What's the point of leaving the house?
     
  18. TheApprentice

    TheApprentice Retired.

    I warned y'all bout the IMF ever since i watched 'money masters' on google vids!!!


    Y'all who frequent politics section will maybe know i aint a 'fan' of the IMF and WORLD BANK,the way i see it is they make and break nations at the press of a button,in the past weeks iceland and ukraine ASWELL AS Hungary have went bankrupt along with other struggling nations nevermind banks and i accept the IMF does have a purpose and that purpose is to STOP nations going bankrupt...


    Now The IMF only has reserves left that would cover only a handful of member nations in the event of bankruptcy,all it takes also to topple the IMF/WORLD BANK is for ANY bailed out nation to forfeit on their debt like Russia have done since they were bailed out years back... this isnt as impossible or as far feteched a concept as you would think:eusa_naughty:.. It never rains but it pours eh?:icon_confused:


    So you can imagine my shock to hear on the news and read in the broadsheets that the IMF themselves are teetering on the brink of going bankrupt!!!!!! W-H-A-T T-H-E F-U-C-K???????


    They only have 500 million..[EDIT:AFTER CROSS CHECKING RELIABLE SOURCES THE FIGURE STANDS AT $250BILLION WHICH IS NOT A LOT,IT WOULD ONLY TAKE A FEW MORE BANKRUPT NATIONS LIKE ICELAND,HUNGARY AND UKRAINE TO EMPTY THAT MONEY POT ONCE AND FOR ALL:icon_eek::5sigh:] ...left in the bank and now our prime minister Gordon Brown is suggesting that the UK and asia/persia,ANYONE,try and bail out the IMF....call me a :tard: but this is just fuckin plain dumb:bduh: IMHO!!


    If the IMF cant keep a grip on their cash WHY should our already financially crippld nations bail them out just so they can bankroll irresponsible nations and banks worldwide?


    I dont like it and if this is true of the IMF then a depression is most certainly gonna be round the corner and this one is gonna be GLOBAL and will blo the great american depression of the 20-30''s out of the water so hold tight ppl cos when the IMF say they aint gonna bail out no more nations nevermind banks then y'all know its time to sell sell sell cos when the last great depression came millionarse awoke one day to find their millions couldn even buy them a few loaves of bread,their millions in the banks wont mean shit if this happens....


    Im keepin my eye on this situation as it unfolds but anyone else think this is a very disturbing turn of events,i mean this IS supposed to be the safest and richest bank in the world,designed to STOP depressions NOT create them....unless on PURPOSE!:angry7:


    Heres some info on the purpose of the IMF,take a few minutes to read their mandate....IF they DO need asian and arabic cash to stop the IMF money pot from running empty then this is a disaster just WAITING TO HAPPEN THAT WOULD LEAD TO A GLOBAL RECESSION COS IF THE IMF CANT BAIL OUT ANY MEMBER NATION ON ANY GIVEN DAY THEN THEY CANT FULFILL THEIR MANDATE AND THEREFORE WOULD CREATE GLOBAL PANIC AND EVEN WORSE FINANCIAL MELTDOWN THAN WE HAVE SEEN RECENTLY OR EVEN SINCE POST WAR ERA!!


    Heres their manadate and info from IMF.org> http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/exrp/what.htm SCARY TIMES INDEED... THIS RECESSION/POSSIBLE depression ,this is a problem that NO president can fix in a mere two terms/8 years! Gawd i hate the IMF!:fingermad:


    AGAIN:5headache: ...Anyone who aint took 3 hours out of their life to watch 'the money masters' on google vids i urge them to watch it and find out MORE about the sneaky fuckers that run the IMF...who are they?NO-ONE REALLY KNOWS WHO PULLS THEIR STRINGS TBH although its meant to be one rep from each member nation.Revolutions are BORN out of POVERTY... watch this space.Peace:ebert:
     
  19. Administrator

    Administrator Administrator

    Can you provide your source for that info please AP?
     
  20. TheApprentice

    TheApprentice Retired.

    Struggling to find the exact article i read with the 500M figure,googled this>>


    Im finding it hard to get MY exact source but heres a link to a video at sky news that HINTS at what iv read in the media,Gordon Brown says the IMF is being over stretched and needs money:5eek:...The evening times article i read actually says they only had approx £250 billion(oops i said 500 MILLION in my 1st post:icon_redface:) UKP left with which to actually LOAN other nations(they technically dont loan but essentially thats exactly what they do do)


    It was actually on mainstream national and local UK news outlets such as sky news and ITN news aswell as UK broadsheets,i have tried digging around for the EXACT article i read but to no avail,HOWEVER i did find RELATED info on the topic at hand... for all our sakes ,as much as i hate the world bank and IMF i KNOW it is a neccessary evil and as much as i hate the control they have over our nations i KNOW we need them more than ever right now with Iceland and the Ukraines IMF funded bail outs being prime examples...


    Heres what i did find on the topic regarding what Gordon Brown is proposing(he wants us to HELP the imf,i honestly cant believe what im reading!)>>>>


    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Gordon-Brown-says-International-Monetary-Fund-needs-more-cash/Video/200810415130753?lpos=Business+News_5&lid=VIDEO_1667666_Brown%3A+IMF+Needs+New+Cash&videoCategory=Business+News


    I found this at sky news,apart from that theres noit a lot about this online so far surprisingly ,hence im gonna watch it as it unfolds cos if rumours and news is true then this would be thee most disturbing turn of events of all recent events if the IMF actually NEED more money!:eek:

    Brown looks to China to strengthen IMF's hand


    Gulf states also urged to contribute to economic rescue fund


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/29/gordon-brown-china-imf

    Gordon Brown will this weekend call on China and oil-producing countries in the Gulf to pump hundreds of billions of dollars into the International Monetary Fund to prevent the global financial "contagion" from destroying vulnerable economies.


    As the IMF finalises plans to shore up the Hungarian and Ukrainian economies with combined loans of $29bn, the prime minister will make clear that more needs to be done to ensure the fund can step in to help struggling economies.


    Brown outlined his plans in Downing Street yesterday before flying to Paris for talks with the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy. "The IMF has said it has $250bn available and new instruments to lend to countries in crisis," Brown said. "But this may not be enough. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that we cannot delay and that we now need substantial resources in addition to the $250bn that the IMF already has available.


    "We need this for the crisis that we face now in the 21st century ... It is necessary at this stage to prevent this international contagion and I believe we should take action on this new fund immediately."....


    http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2008/10/gordon-browns-independent-imf/

    I'll keep digging for the exact info i read but not all the UK papers print all their editorials and economic stories online im finding cos i know one paper i read ws glasgows EVENING TIMES asweell as The Times but i cant find anything thus far in my google search,maybe i need to mix up the KEYWORDS a little?I'll post all i can from any reliable sources.Peace:ebert:
     

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