Evolution

In a Darwinian sense?His theories are debunked by the day.


Yes i agree with your last paragraph entirely Hank.But i disagree with your views on plants. ANY LIVING ORGANISM CAN EVOLVE HANK FROM WHAT IV READ.Only things that do not have characteristics of lie cannot evolve,like a rock.But anything that has life in it can evolve. Plants evolve. A venus ly trap wasnt always a venus fly trap,it evolved in order to feed better,etc. But things do evolve daily,maybe not the drastic transformation evolution can bring but anything that grows,breathes like growth, movement, reproduction, response to stimuli; they evolve, and require energy for daily activities. Some of the daily life examples of living things around us are human beings, animals, plants and micro organisms. Evolution happens daily on a slow process,otherwise it would be called transformation and not evolution.O course,with all due respect Hank,things are evolving daily until they have fully evolved.Well thats my take on it but im a laymen.If people and organisms face a peril or situation one day and learn rom it,they adap and this causes them to evolve in a small way. To say thing dont evolve daily,as slow or as little as that may be to me is absurd. The world evolves daily only we dont see it.Evolution of course is measured over time but every day adds up to the grand scheme of evolution. Hoow can things not evolve daily at whatever pace?Adaptin and changing is part of evolving is it not


As for arguments sake,i always found it absurd that non believers used evolution as a way to disprove creation. If theres a God then we cant comprehend his grand scheme,if he put intelligences on this realm then surely he gave them the capacity to evolve and learn in the right circumstances if need be. Other things dont need to evolve ,usually the top predators.If i have eggs that hatch then they will evolve and adapt daily to the environment they are in.Different things evolve differently according to the enviroment they are in.Some willl say thats not evolution its adapting but to me adapting is part of evolving.Unless your speciically referring to the evolutionary changes that take millenia? Not disagreeing with you in an argumentative way just maybe im not too clear on the tue meaning of evolving?If somthing changes or the better it evolves. In my defence,im very high tonight


PS:Excuse the typos,my keys are sticking tonight:5eek:

 

For one,his Ape-Human theory is FLAWED. Do you deny that Hank?

http://www.iskcondesiretree.net/profiles/blogs/scientifically-proving-that-sarwin-s-theory-of-evolution-is-wro-1


http://www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/science/darwin_critique1.htm


I did state im a laymen on this but i you give me time,im about to leave n the school run so not got time to get into it but Darwins theory is flawed to certain degrees.I'll respond later but a quick google touches briely on this- http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/mar/19/evolution-darwin-natural-selection-genes-wrong . Im not looking for a debate but its all simply theories,just like einsteins. Just like creatonsist and religous theories.I defy any person to stand and say or a CAT Darwins theory o evolution is 100% correct Hank. We can theorize whats right and whats not but your taking it as literally the truth. Im not copping out but have to rush. Theres a pletera of debunks on Darwin. Im happy to be wrong as i believe in evolution,i just didnt accept the way you portrayed it and maybe i didnt portray my argument well either,im stoned and been up all night but food for thought-


http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/the-philosophical-and-theoretical-flaws-of-darwinian-evolution/


Darwin's theory depends entirely on three features of living things: variation, inheritance, and competition. Darwin explained the third of these (competition) very well (namely, more individuals are born than can possibly survive). But he was not successful in explaining the source of either variation, nor inheritance. He took for granted that living things exhibited variation and inheritance, but did not know *WHY* they occur. To say Darwins theory is NOT flawed in any way is maybe reaching a bit but he offers no explanation which in itself is a flaw in his theory in the same way creationists theory on God,etc are lawed as they offer explanations without proof.Darwin does the same. To prove his theories you would need to live a million years or so.


http://www.darwinconspiracy.com/


Darwin Buster One: Darwinians have been dead wrong whenever they have claimed that the "genetic matter of ape and humans is 98% identical." The ape and human chromosomes are remarkably divergent and too different for "ape to human evolution" theory to adequately explain. For example, the human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the chimpanzee Y chromosome and the chromosome structures are not at all similar.


Darwin Buster Two: There are laws of embryology that directly contradict "ape to human evolution." One reason is that genes work together in teams to form body parts during embryonic development. This makes it impossible to add genes to any genome because there is no way to coordinate any new gene with existing genes. Yet "ape to human evolution" requires apes and humans to be able to add genes - for example, the chimpanzee Y chromosome has 37 genes and the human Y chromosome has at least 78 genes.


Darwin Buster Three: The laws of genetics prevent "ape to human evolution" from ever taking place. One reason is there is no genetic mechanism that creates new genes. But "ape to human evolution" relies on apes and humans having the ability to create new genes with new functions. New genes are required in order to have morphological changes, such as gills into lungs or more efficient brains. So called "gene duplication" is not evidence that organisms can create new genes. Although bacteria can duplicate existing genes by mistake through "gene duplication," this only occurs in single sex bacteria and this is not evidence that apes and humans can create new genes with new functions.


Darwin Buster Four: Darwinians have no explanation for why humans and apes have a different number of chromosomes. Darwinians claim that "chromosome fusion" of two ape chromosomes into a single chromosome resulted in humans having only 23 pairs of chromosomes while apes have 24 pairs. But there is not one example of "chromosome fusion" in mammals. Darwinians claim that 1 in 1000 human babies have a "fused chromosome" but this is an out and out lie. They are actually referring to Robertsonian Translocations, which are "translocations" and not fused chromosomes and does not result in a change in the chromosome number. Besides, scientifically derived facts refute "chromosome fusion" can occur in apes or humans.


We have just provided you with a summary of four Darwin Busters. Each one busts and invalidates "ape to human evolution."


But of course almost all atheist scientists refuse to admit any of them because they worship Darwin And almost all scientists are atheists because people of faith no longer seek careers in science


Peace

 

PS: I believe in evolution,just i dont buy everything Darwin claims.Theres scientists who ame along ater him who convinced me better. The links iv posted above with one exception are scientific debunks,well not debunkes but they point out flaws in a non religious manner . Give me time and i'll drw out better ones but again,im not looking to prove or disprove anything.I just dont agree with Darwin per se.Other scientists explain it better and less lawed in my humble laymens opinions

 

Im a simple peasant layman.... but personal experience taught me more than any Darwin


Nah Hank knows i dont mind being corrected lol. I'll give it to you Hank that some of the arguments were weak cos i thought as much as i copy pasted it and yes i could easily have debunked the debunks too lol. Again i aint saying evolution isnt true but Hank see the way you accuse religious folks of being blind to the truth?The same could be said o people who put all their faith in science. I like how science is allowed to be wrong and correct itself but religion if its wrong once then its a sham To be honest Hank the monkey thing has always bugged me. It doesnt surprise me if a ruit fly shares dna with us or whatever.See the thing that none o us will ever understand nor comprehend is HOW a universe was made,constructed and given life. Whatever materials were made or the "bang" and the resulting creation then obviously many creatures will share dna and traits,it dont mean shit though. Science blinds some people. I see science as guys who think they know it all even though its all theories and no religion aint much better but i will trust MY spiritual intuition over mans interpretation of logic anyday. Maybe its cos im ignorant of many scientific facts? But the same can be said for people who have never elt or witnessed a serious spiritual awakening. Iv heard many scientists call Darwin out or being wrong on many things and like i said other guys have done a better job of explaining things than he did IMHO. Science is cool but i liken it to a child figuring out how to piece a jigsaw together,if a bit dont fit he tries to make it fit.All the while the Dad who made the jigsaw stands there knowing where each piece goes,its no mystery to him. Mans downfall is his lack of belief in the unseen,his pride of his intellect and his ignorance or refusal to accept that theres anything outside of a mortal realm.Its an argument i avoid cos no one can win.Sure valid points can be made but when they cant all you hear is"well its better than some mystical belief". Hank on a personal note,i went through some shit not long ago.I was dead,alive,dead to the point my family came to say goodbye. The doctors gave me 3 days as due to trauma i had a pulminory embolism but without getting to deep and not wishing to be mocked by anyone.I had an experience and i lived.Not only that i came through a time that would break most people and all the time it was faith in the truth nd faith that the good will out that kept me going man. Doctors said i was a living miracle with my spleen,liver,gallbladder and bile duct all lacertaed and stabbed.My lung punctured and severe head injuries where i ended up in a coma,stabbed femural arteries the lot.On a ventilator with chest drains in my lungs.I cant explain it man but i found a belief in a higher power and for me to ever deny that would be spitting in Gods face cos i was dead.... No way was i gonna survive that but i knew i was going to. Death makes you see things you cant see in normality man.No disrespect but just like you have a firm belie in no God,i hold a belief there is one cos i had an experience that only i know and i know theres more to this life than people care to acknowledge. Intuition is powerul,faith even more so.I dont need theories or proof to accept things that my soul tells me is true cos i tust my soul more than any man.I pray you never find yourself in a position where you need to humble yourself and ask for your life or your loved ones to be spared cos it must be hard to ask for help from someone you have derided or dismissed all these years. Mans problem is he has too high a value and opinion on his own worth and his own intellect. When Jesus was alive he was challenged by the wisest of the wise and he ran rings round them in parables,a carpenters son with no formal training. Hank i admire your intellect and i dare say you would squash me in a debate on Darwin,mainly cos i have little interest in evolution.Its fascinating and i dont disbeleive it....but i look forward not back.I try enjoy the life i have and judge not others,each to their own. I see religious folks who are NUTS,they refuse to accept any logic.Im not one of them,i accept science and logic but again,scientists are like little children trying to piece together a jigsaw with no comprehension of the whole picture. Its a hot sunny day and im chilling but theres many many areas where science cant explain things,even areas where science has proven things rom a religious perspective to be true(in theory lol). Im content.I people laugh at God im not ofended,why?It always seems the non believers who gets their panties in a twist.Why?An under fear of being wrong?


Darwin couldnt explain the variation of mutation,he didnt know how inheritance worked or genetics for that matter but for me to use that to sway an argument is idiotic as i do believe he was right on many things as iv said from the start....but also wrong about many things. My original point Hank was man puts to much credence on theories and yet they mock spirituality. So do you argue we have no spirit,no soul? Jeez Hank,you take mushrooms you should KNOW we got soul man. I'll give you the argument purely cos im enjoying the sun and my beer but id love to hear your views on Jesus,was he a charlatan?A myth,a fraud? He spoke more sense than any man before or since.Now Hank iv led a coloured lie and for me to be saying stu like this blows peoples minds who know me but its cause iv experienced something that affirms to me theres higher powers at work in this life than most care to understand. Im not any one religion but i am a believer and its sad that in this day and age men are like children who need everything explained in great detail and logic to them.The art of intuition is gone.I dont have preachers preach to me,i read and make my mind up. I believe there was a big bang....but it was orchastrated by a Grand Architect. Do you believe Jesus never existed then?Billions of religious people worlldwide are all simply superstitious and only the intellectual science flag wavers are enlightened


I cant buy that man,cos i KNOW diferent.Its hard to explain a personal experience without being mocked or whatever.I cant deny what i know to be true man. Science is true but one day when they suss out the god particle and what not they will come to a conclusion that they cant handle. You smashed it out the park,fair play,your intellect will give you pride and assure your right. I'll humbly bow and take my leave trusting what I know and not what some guy tells me and convinces me. Me and lion and res have had these discussions and i respect their beliefs and they.....leave me be But Hank knowone can say for a certainty theres no God,no creation,no afterlife.People just hope there isnt I dont get ofended in any way by people who dont believe in a God,im the only siblingof 5 who does and iv only just believed since the past two years it will be in 6 days time.Maybe it was the trauma that caused me to need a crutch huh?LOL,imsure the rational logical mind has an nswer as to why....but i will trust my gut ,my intuition and yeah i will put myself out there for ridicule in a world where the religious folks are all crazy ucks,im not one.I can keep my opinion to myself but sometimes i just think why do people who disbelief feel the need to ALWAYS be orcing their point home. I suppose Americans liken it to a guy who has never owned a gun who demands they are banned,haha:razz3: Had to get a wee dig in there my friend.Take it easy man:ebert;