I swear you learn something new everyday in the world of MJ. How did I miss this conversation? I read on a seed breeder site that cloning off of feminized seeds does not work and all the info on that. So I take it, no wonder my clones of my female seeds feminized seeds looked like crap. I keep thinking why did my northern lights clones turn out ok? because the the mothers were from regular seeds. I read where there was some people that claim that they have luck cloning from feminized seeds. Just wondering what people here have done and heard? Fuck I hope my g13 c99 seeds are regular seeds, I need to go back and look.
The free femonized Mad Shack I got from Sannies seeds, I cloned her for a year with no problems. :thumbsup:
Cloning off of a plant from fem seeds shouldn't pose any problem. Cloned a few times off a femmed Pineapple Exp don't remember anything going amiss. Genetically it's just a female plant.
It was from Sannies web site. I am back looking to see on what part of the site it was on. I was looking at some seeds and then when I read that on there, I looked around on google and some people were saying it was true on "roll it up" and some other places and some said they had no problem. I know I can trust what people say here, because if they have done it, they "Have done it". :thumbsup: I was getting ready to plant some of my G13 C99 fem seeds and hopefully get some nice clones off them, I had a heart attack when I read fem seeds don't clone good. Now that I think of it, I did have some good clones that I took off of my other fem c99 seeds.....I have some posted here on GK. Guess maybe I needed some back up.........:coolbounce:
I have been growing fem seeds for years and I always clone them and have NEVER had a problem. Some of them I had going for 3-4 years. edit: If you had problems cloning them I'd chock it up to user error.
If it weren't for cloning the breeders and distributers would sell a hell of a lot more seeds. I don't remember ever seeing a site that promoted a certain strain as 'ideal for cloning' either. Sounds like a marketing tactic to keep business up. Be Cool, CG
Done it lots of times and will do it with the girl scout cookies. If its true that hermie seeds are fem'd then i coul say it may be true with some though cause i have grown some seeds from hermied plants and the clones of a couple of those were good but then on the second clone the plant looked completely different. I have one type now doing it, 3 clones off the first normal clone all have looked like they were half way flowering all summer but just keep growing still, i will see how they flower this fall.
Some plants will start to flower if left to age too long no matter what the light schedule.:eusa_eh: So it stands to reason that taking a clone from a parent which has aged to the point of auto-flowering will give you a new plant that exhibits some level of flowering throughout it's veg. This would be especially true if the parent plant has known hermie tendencies. This is a good reason to rotate mom's on a regular basis.
I have no clue what that guy could be talking about. All of mine except the Glass slipper, headband and chunky D are clones of feminized seed stock. OGSD and jamaican D are from cali connection, galaxy from pyramid, tangerine and sweet tooth from barneys farm. No issues with these and they've been being cloned for about 4 years now.
It sort of made sense when I first read it and I thought for sure i fucked up buying fem seeds to clone from. Thanks for all the feed back. I am glad to have experienced growers to turn to in times of need. So now I feel I am not wasting my time cloning from fem seeds, I got a bunch to go thru, so stay tuned. There is A lot of bud porn coming up...:roffl:
You know what though I had a conversation with someone today who was talking about commercial seed corn genetics, and how in the commercial grain world companies like monsanto genetically engineer their plants to either produce no seeds so the farmers have to buy new seeds every year or engineer the seeds to be infertile or otherwise unusable. So I suppose theoretically someone could genetically modify a plant NOT to clone. Some strains clone easier than others, so I suppose you could breed plants for that trait to the same degree that you could breed them for any other trait. But the thing is clonability is a desirable trait in a strain and no one would buy seeds of a plant that was purposefully designed not to clone. At least not intentionally. asssit:
Yes there could be seed terminator technology used. Something like colchicine could be used to make a polyploid parent that is then bred to a normal plant with the normal number of chromosomes. IE a tetraploid crossed with a diploid yielding triploid off spring. Just like how you make a seedless watermelon. Since the two parents don't have the same number of chromosomes you end up with Sterile offspring because their gametes are not viable. Though colchicine is not used for fem seed production. If anything it would be colloidal silver, silver thiosulfate. Though you could treat one of those parents to make one a tetraploid to produce triploid female seeds. However that would not affect the ability or viability of clones. Just means If you tried to produce seeds with it then you would have a bunch of sterile seeds most would most likely abort. Again like a seedless watermelon.
Colchicine? Tetraploids? Come on Skunky!!!! I know you know better than that! Theoretically, you're spot on. But, not one single verified plant EVER has been induced to polyploidy with colchicine that has produced viable, more productive offspring. And, we know that triploids are 99.99% inferior to the diploid equals. And, as you correctly sated , infertile. Don't get me wrong brother, I'm not arguing against you, just saying that your comment should be slightly more informative, as people will see "Colchicine" and "polyploidy" and attempt some serious fucked up things. On these forums, best to use caution and an over abundance of information in explanations most don't comprehend. ( if that seems harsh or condescending, not my point, as I said theoretically you are 100%). But I have seen, and am dealing with a friend that has not fared so well when he stole a vial of Colchicine from my breeding lab two years ago. And I'll just say, it ain't looking god for him. I'll discuss it with you PM if you like, but it ain't for the boards. Now, to the original question - cloning a plant, regardless of sex produces the same plant. If it is homozygous, then it will be pure. If it doesn't, then any genetic trait that produces intersexual traits (chromosomes) can be influenced. From my experience, they can be negated or in fact proliferated in the offspring. It seems to me, intersexual traits are directly influenced by the environment they are subjected to. As the ability for intersexual traits are inherent in the genes, and brought out by environmental triggers. Just my 2 copper pieces. Cheers bro.
