Irrigation pump

Discussion in 'Outdoor Cultivation' started by Guerilla Family, Mar 21, 2009.

  1. canadian123

    canadian123 hemp ninja

    A bilge pump will run in the cruddiest conditions for years. Look in the bilges of some of the working boats and you'll see what i mean. I've run them for an hour or more before without issue.


    I can see that makes sense


    No a bilge pump will not create enough pressure for a drip system. If you wanted to stay 12 volt I would opt for a marine high pressure water pump. Check BoatUS or West Marine onliine.


    That's what I thought bilge pumps are high volume low pressure so pushing through drippers would wear it out in very short order. I have thought about a surflow pump but the gpm on them is really low I don't know how long running one would take to give the plants sufficient water


    If I have my plants in 5gal grow bags with a couple holes punched in the bottom for drainage how many L per day should they drink? I know in my hydro setup 1 plant drinks about 1L+ per day during Flower. With my crude math in order to feed 50 plants 1L/day in say 15min I need a 200lph or 1gpm pump??? is that correct if so a basic surflow would be perfect at 1.6gpm


    Goota run....more later.


    Cheers,


    Thanks looking forward to more info
     
  2. TheCarpenter

    TheCarpenter member

    When my bilge pump kicks on, it sprays water about 5 feet up and back, not to mention the 2.5' it has to travel to get up to the outlet. A 1000gph will provide plenty of pressure for a drip system.
     
  3. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    That is on a short open line. The impeller set on a bilge will not create or hold enough pressure to run 100 ft of line uphill at the rated GPH but will (if left open) push more than enough to fill buckets or run straight onto plants. A drip system requires 10-50 lbs of pressure (25 pounds or more being ideal) to operate adequately. A bilge will not develop that kind of pressure over a long line.


    A better 12 volt choice for drip irrigation is this: http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/223003/377%20710%201518/0/General%20Purpose%20Pumps/Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377


    It is pricier but will more than do the job. Steer clear of the "premium model. It's just the standard pump with $10 of wire and clamps.


    Cheers,
     
  4. canadian123

    canadian123 hemp ninja

    Well I don't have to run drippers I can run a 3/4" line as a manifold then tap 1/4" line on to it. Then run the 1/4" line out to the plants with no drippers as long as the pressure isn't so high it blows all the dirt out of the bags.
     
  5. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Sounds like it should work. If open pressure ends up being to high you could always install a ball valve inline on the 3/4 inch hose before your 1/4 inch take offs.


    I have a spare 500 gph bilge pump in the garage and run several drip systems around the yard off my sprinkler system. If you can wait a few weeks I'll be doing the spring clean-up and could hook the bilge pump up to see if it can create enough line pressure to run the system and post the results.


    cheers,
     
  6. canadian123

    canadian123 hemp ninja

    wow that's awesome I got until the last weekend in may so we got time I would appreciate you testing that out for me.


    Peace Love and Happiness my Friend


    :bongin: :passit: :fly:
     
  7. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    No problem. I'm kind of curious myself. If it works I'll have to eat a few words and bow to Carpenter on this call. Wouldn't be the first humble pie I ever had to eat.:puke:
     
  8. Guerilla Family

    Guerilla Family Serious Guerilla Farmer

    Thanks a lot guys for all of the information. Do you think the 500GPH Bilge would be sufficient or should I got with the 1000GPH just to be safe?


    Remember I will be in the fields when using these pumps and fair away from electricity.. Will it be an easy task to hook the bilge pump up to the booster pack?? How does this booster pack work? Do I charge it up at home?


    GFam
     
  9. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    It's almost the same $$ for a 1000 gph. Overkill is always better.:wink: You just wire the pump with a 12 volt cigarette lighter style plug. Most battery packs have a receptacle for this.


    You can recharge the battery pack in your car with a 12 volt power point or plug in at home.
     
  10. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Ok...got my landscape irrigation started today and hooked up a 500gph bilge pump to see if it would create enough pressure.


    Run #1 13 irrigation drippers. 35 foot run. Around 2-3 foot verticle lift.


    With flow controllers in place it was a slow drip but the pump did move water. With the flow controllers removed it worked beautifully.


    Run #2 Window boxes. 8 irrigation drippers. 55 foot run. 15 foot verticle lift.


    With dripper controlls in place ZERO water at the last 4 outlets. Without dripper controls low but more than adequate water flow.


    Conclusion:


    A 12v 500gph bilge pump can be used in conjunction with 1/4 inch irrigation tubing to produce acceptable results at a 15 foot rise and 55 foot run with 8 outlets. It is a rational assumption then that a 1000gph pump should perform more than adequately in a similar scenario or similarly in a run of larger dimension.


    Carpenter..you got some salt for these words or should I just choke-em down plain? Nice call...you had it right man.


    cheers,
     
  11. canadian123

    canadian123 hemp ninja

    A good man admits when he's wrong kudos to you! :thumbsup:


    And Nice results I guess I know what I'm running for a pump but it will have 50 1/4 outlets on a 100ft run no flow controllers and the pump would be 1800gph ....whats your guess RR? oh and a rise of about 10ft at the end of the run.....
     
  12. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Ok....going out on a limb and figuring I'll get proven wrong again but here goes.


    With a rise at the end of the run you are going to lose a tremendous amount of flow. All that hose creates back pressure even when running flat. Think of it this way.....All that water between the pump and the rise has weight. The less weight the pump needs to push the more effective it is.


    Can you create the rise in the beginning?


    BTW what kind of pump? Bilge pumps are cheap, long lasting, tough as nails, work on a 12v so are portable, but not efficient. If it is another style your efficiency may be much higher.


    cheers,
     
  13. TheCarpenter

    TheCarpenter member

    If you keep the diameter of the hose small enough, you should be able to maintain enough pressure for the rise at the end.
     
  14. ResinRubber

    ResinRubber Civilly disobedient/Mod

    Ummmm...I'm goin with Carpenter. Already eaten my fill of crow today.


    What about ending the 3/4" manifold line at the rise and running the 1/4" drip lines from there? Less water being pushed uphill = less weight. Any thoughts?


    cheers,
     

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