I am just saying, you can not, and the courts will rule on this, copyright nature. You can change the biology of a specimen easily in a home-environment, so why is this even an issue? All you have to do is make a seed outside of the government's requirements, wait the like two years, and then sell it under another name. All that is not relevant, though, because the trend is going to legalization and not medical, which should have been the focus in the first place.
Boy, you really come out with some bollocks sometimes. This is like your anyone can make a gun baloney. Oh, genetic engineering is common knowledge now? Yeah, right. :roffl: Create nukes with little or no training? Hahahahahahahaha. :roffl::roffl::roffl::roffl::roffl::roffl::roffl::roffl::roffl: I doubt the ability of the average person to make a fucking apple pie from scratch with little or no training.
What difference does it make? Pretty soon we will all have a government RF microchips attached to our brains and we will be eating whatever it tells us to.:danger:
Bullshit, look up the information. You can make a nuke or do fucking genetic engineering in your fucking kitchen. Yes it is common knowledge. I believe once something becomes readily available as knowledge, written or known, that would be called COMMON KNOWLEDGE. I doubt the ability of the average person to do anything. WE are not average people and AVERAGE people are not going to be the ones fighting for this cause, that has been made abundantly clear to me in the last week. But to sit there and say YOU or I could not figure any of this out, when other people do it no problem (IN THEIR HOMES), is a fallacy. And apple pies suck ass and shouldn't be made in the first place.
Alrighty I am forced to weigh in on this because of my background. Monsanto is fucking evil....no doubts about it. They are looking to control the supply of food by controlling what farmers can and can't plant with their lobbyists. Food Mod Act was the first step in this, but it won't be the last. While some parts of the legislation is great (Haccp / harpc) others are an abomination to this nation. The loop wholes created in the law for large firms is unbelievable. You cannot have two separate rules for the same industry. They are creating an envoirment that forces the small farms, producers, etc out of biz because they won't be able to do the testing required to stay in compliance. It's not rocket science but unless you are knowledgeable with what you can legally do you'll spend your life's savings hiring someone like me to explain it to you. About GMOs...while this started as a great intention it has quickly spiraled out of hand. There is nothing beneficial from GMOs that cannot be replicated by selective breeding....nothing!!! While you cannot selectively breed purple cauliflower....the purple color is not beneficial. Corn, bananas are an excellent example of selective breeding over time to produce something more beneficial to humans There maybe a slight exception with golden rice, but even there, other crops should be introduced to get vitamin a into the diets of people that lack it. We have no long term studies that states what these crops actually do to us....we evolved to eat cereals over many many many years. To change this staple of the human diet in the time span of 1-5 years could prove devastating to us. The introduction of GMO crops actually is producing unwanted side effects. Diseases and pests once thought controlled are ravaging GMO products. No one can explain exactly why this is happening, but this is a major problem for GMO corn. That is key to understanding the scope of a problem that could arise. Could you imagine the US suffering from food shortages due to diseases in crops that should have been wiped out 50 years ago? Panic would be an understatement...it would be the collapse of the world as we know it. Monsanto actually has plants who's seeds will not grow....yea let that sink in for a minute....a seed that is not a seed. That have promised never to use this on a wide scale, but who's to keep them in check? Look at the widespread use of Round-Up Ready strains (soy is huge)...and most don't even realize it's GMO because they are not forced to label it as such. Sit back for a minute...imagine a company that supplies over 40% of the US food seeds....now think if they just cut that off by supply seeds that don't reproduce. But we should trust them that they wouldn't do this...because they promised...
Again, if THEY can genetically engineer crops what the hell makes yall think one of us won't do it the other way? What the hell do you think BREEDERS are doing? What part of mother-fucking-nature do yall not understand? Tomatoes don't just grow from seeds you buy from Home Depot or the internet, they grow naturally. Are yall really THAT inclined to believe GMO's can change the world's plant supplies? How!? We haven't even discovered half of the world species and yall are worried about corn that can't be eaten by bugs? Explain this to me.
First off, the chickens they use aren't chickens....they are but they aren't natural chickens. They are bread to born and reach full maturity in 39 days. Most are so unhealthy they can't walk and lie in their own filth. Because they are breed for meat, their legs can support the weight thus limiting their ability to move. Also they never see the light of day.....never!!!! And this is caused by the megacorps stepping in and buying up all the individual farms and forcing their rules onto them. I won't even go into the cattle industry. Hell we could almost eliminate E Coli if we feed our cattle grass instead of corn. They never evolved to eat corn thus the spread of this bacteria (it doesnt help that they stand waste deep in their own shit) but studies have shown that even grain fed cattle can be purged a week before slaughter by feeding them grass and this would reduce the risk of E Coli. THe cattle industry says this is to costly....imagine that...to costly, even though it costs billions in illness and deaths each year
Do yall live in the south? Do yall know that our meat is not done like it is in 2% of the country? Fear mongering. That is all this is. If GMOs are THAT bad they will not stand in the market. This has been proven time and time over. For OUR industry I dont' see where the problem is. We breed. We as a species have been breeding for thousands of years hence dogs and cats, the pot we smoke, and the type of greens we eat. Why is doing this scientifically a problem other than the copyright issues that have not been completely set out by our courts?
GMOs arent' required to be labeled in America.....the companies that produce them know the people won't buy them if it is known that is why they spend billions fighting labeling laws. The exception is fresh fruit and veggys. You can tell by the code on it...3 or 4 conventionally grown with chemical fert and insecticide, 8 means GMO, 9 means organic Look at Pink Slim, once that went public the company went out of biz in a matter of months.....a billion dollar industry was reduced to nothing...in months BTW, I just drove through Georgia and was even pointing out the Chicken farms to my wife from the highway. All are windowless and have large fans to supply fresh air, other than that, the chickens are left to wonder in the dark in their own shit
Dammit if I ever wanted to rep someone it's now. I have to spread it around. No to factory farms. No to Monsanto. Also it is not that I think I 'couldn't' uh...genetically engineer something in my kitchen. Lol, I could give it a shot. But even if I managed, or someone else, they are trying not to LET that happen. Love you Lion, and I certainly am not one to be scared....but this is kinda one of the things that would scare me...if I gave a fuck. But I still give a fuck for others. (I don't want kids, but nieces, nephews well, I am afraid for them and I don't scare easy)
That is a whole other issue. Anyone, myself included for over 15 years, would not want to eat at the cut in the box restaurant because we know what happens. I refuse to eat at buffets in this area because I know who they hire and what practices they induce. BUT, point being, you aint getting farm raised free range chicken ANY WHERE. I don't care what they do or do not put on the label, it still scarped around in its own shit and had it's head cut off for you to enjoy. GMO or not, that shit isn't natural and non of our food is.
Your missing the point Lion. Blinded by your loyalty to science man. Sooner or later when Monsanto become the norm you'll start to see snippets of legislation at a time.Each one leading to a blanket ban on ANY seeds that aint monsanto. Where it goes from there dont need much imagination. Im glad in the UK and EU we need to label all our shit. No one wants to buy GMO period. We dont know the long term risks and its the Monsanto dudes who are saying "ahh its cool man,chow down". I dont want my kid growing up eating this shit.Im all for science making our lives better man but when science is used to protect and further a monopoly or to increase profits then its not science as we know it. Besides WHO wants to make labs in their kitchen to reverse this shit??Your forgetting something here,the customer is meant to be right and the consumer is supposed to have a bit of power.Slowly but surely thats being taken away until the point will come when your dollar dont mean shit cos your only choice of purchase is Monsanto or monsanto. I been reading up on this and catching some documentaries on it and i find it just creepy. Frankenstein creepy Watch this- http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-world-according-to-monsanto/
Maybe I am missing something. But if Use can make whatever the hell he pleases, where the hell would these GMOs have ANY legal ground? All you would have to do is change the genetic make-up enough to make it non-original to the seeds the companies are producing. It would be like me taking a natural tomato, growing it, and getting sued for doing so. It simply DOES NOT HAPPEN.
I don't fucking get why you're so insistent on defending GMOs Lion. I 100% wholeheartedly disagree with you on most of what you're saying. I'll leave it at that.
Like most things, I am not defending them, I am saying they are a none-issue. WE out rank them by ability. They can do all the science and patents they want, and it will never beat nature. The courts agree in the US.
