Hello there........ UBB here for the first time in ages folks. :thumbs-up: The guy's are right my good man, in all aspects of the growing methods mentioned and Hinted toward you before hand. I gotta say, Its Good to see and look over your posts/Pics, over here at Growkind. Good stuff.... *Those - plants look very decent i must say.:anibong: Though..... 'Bassically' , if you were to take ALL that information GIVEN to you "KINDLY", by our FINEST in GK grower's here, from around the world, You would not ONLY 'plain n Simply', "Increase" your YEILD and QUALITY of Budding. You would, Indeed, Cutt alottt of ££££/$$$$ Out of the Bill my friend. Everyone is different, i understand that, and more or less, as every other grower before me said, you seem kinda 'set i your ways', about "How-To" grow... Cool, Cool... no problem at all... But if you can get your plants looking that nice and keep em all green n all healthy looking, as i saw in those earlier pics, Then just think on.....:bong-2: the Look, the Growth, the Yield, and Energy Cuts you'l be able to post about, next time round!!! You just seem to be putting OUT sooo much, yet NOT quite getting enough in RETURN toward the way you do it my friend. And it IS becasue of the growing METHOD you "Choose" to grow with thats keeping it this way. You seemingly put in ALOT of time and EFFORT into Growing In GENERAL. But with ALL these slight adjustments, that you've been vastly and most KINDLY informed on, by our fine GK-growers, you'd be posting about (As i said before) about, Much much much Greater Yields, and So much Greater Quality of budding, nevermind the quality "Savings" (Big Time!) you'l also have made, compared to the way you have been growing in the past. Each unto their own though. Were ONLY here to HELP if anything!!! P.S, Not saying you CANT grow anywhere youve mentioned by the way, but if you were to "TRY" a good few of these Methods mentioned before me, by some of our finest growers here at GK, you'l be singing about the GREATER differences in All that you do toward Growing, the Next time round. Trust!!! :thumbsup: to GROWKIND again, And may you gain, ONLY "Gain", from coming round this neck of the woods... :thumbsup: Keep growing man, Keep at it, UBB..... otleaf: :thumbs-up:
Coming from a guy who uses a 250W HPS for flowering...that's pretty weak for a 8'x8' room. My space is 2'x3' and I yield 2x what you posted. (Compact Buds) If your goal is a shoebox full you can combine both your rooms cut your wattage to 250-600W HPS for flowering and double you yields. Not to mention saving 40-70$ per month on electric. Listen to these guys...like they've said 100+ years of exp. between us. PS I have a college degree also...in Horticulture...not sarcasm
Well said UBB! That's a very good way of explaining it nicely. :good job: :-welcome-: back by the way UBB! Glad to see ya around again. I/GK all missed you in your absence. I'll be PM'ing you soon with a few questions about Bio Bizz nutrients. asssit: :thumbs-up:
That's what kills me about it! He obviously put in some time and effort to making it, but soo much of that time and effort was a waste........ If he'll just put aside what he THINKS he knows about growing and makes just a few adjustments based on a lot of very good suggestions from so many GK members he COULD have a fantastic grow room.
I know it. Take that same set-up, and instead of the many little bulbs, just a couple HID's, and with the money saved, could probably even put in an exhaust system, maybe a Co2 generator... and like RR said, go from shoebox yeilds, to garbage bags full. I know an HID lamp/ballast costs more than a CFL an incandescents, but that extra cost will be cheaper and more efficient in the long run.
Here's the really interesting part, using cfls in large numbers for high wattage isn't even cost efficient in purchase. 65W cfls go for around $15. It takes 15 of them to equal 1000w. That's $230 in bulbs alone. For 600w its it's $138 in bulbs. Budget HID systems cost about the same. Like I said ID, no offense intended, you can grow however you want..just don't pretend it's efficient.
yeah sure but lol Yep- I've HAD HPS's before- it's a long long story (Involves getting knifed in the heart by rippers for my 12' tall hedge etc in 2007 and a teensy weensy weapons violation sorta afterwards... i figure if i were "playing it safe" like everyone told me I'd have had an RPG) but i kinda sorta had to quit growing for about 3 yrs. I'm just bootstrapping some stuff together and making the plants buy their OWN damn nice equipment, not the other way around. Last elec bill was $209, 3br 2ba all electric... goes about $125 or so with no grow. Yes, I'm prolly wasting about 40 bucks a month in inefficient, but that all goes to heat and I still use a space heater sometimes. If you're putting 3000W into a house to heat it, it doesn't matter what uses that power, if it comes out of the outlet it ultimately heats the house. Therefor in the winter, it doesn't really matter how efficient the lighting is until you overheat the house, which around here happens about 63 deg exterior. "If you're putting 3000W into a place anyway, you might as well have some FUN with it!" is what I'm trying to express. Nah guys a shoebox full was ONE PLANT! A lot more compact too- I'm guessing Sweetie put down a WET pound and a half of manicured bud. I'm hoping to get a half pound. All due respect but how many guys around here get a half pound of gooey bud off one indoors plant from an 8' ceiling? And that's that tricky, slow, Light of Jah stuff from A-dam too. Hardly pathetic by any standard. I've got some sativa crosses (see previous pix) that are about to "lap" the LJ superdope. And i disagree that 1000 HPS lights are more expensive, I'm afraid haha. They have some quite nifty ones at J City hydro for a couple hundred bucks, maybe 250 or so i forget. Maybe 175 and shield or something. Takes 4 cases of CFL's to get 1000W, and bases are about 2 bucks each unless scrounged. So there you're into $195 per thousand and start paying extra. But HPS light bulbs are expensive too, CFL's last 9 yrs, and Sweetie responded well to light from the side and underneath... Good supplement. Cervantes says incandescents are good for warming clone's feet hahaha. Yes i realize the setup is hashed together garbage crap hahaha. It's sorta sposed to be- I wire houses and additions alla time. Pisses the inspectors off no end cause I'm not lisenced for elec, but it passes. Point is sure I know what a state of the art multithousand dollar setup looks like. I just wanted to see if this worked, kinda. Ha that's me the Dr Moreau of Pot Plants hahaha. Always doing weird stuff. I have one plant that didnt used to be siamese twins, you know. Grafting seems to have failed completely. Oh but GREAT call on the tinfoil, you can call me a dumbass on that one if you want. You guys are right, i dam sure SHOULD know better than to jack with all that tinfoil and mylar when all i have to do is walk thru with a paint sprayer loaded with flat white. DUH! But if you CAN'T spend etc etc etc... the CFL's can grow with your plants too. To Boldly Grow, What No One Has Grown Before... lol Engage guys! TheKid
Kid, I'll give you one thing you've got a good attitude. And when you say things like having the girls buy their own equipment I can see where you are coming from. If you're in the trade and have much of the equip. handy and free then it kinda makes sense the way you're going about it. Reading between the lines makes me believe that you intend to upgrade to a proper setup. And I agree that cfls WILL go a good job of growing your plants. But they NEED to be much closer to your plants as others have said. You have alluded to or directly hit on (can't remember) one thing that goes largely overlooked. Recycling the heat from your grow to heat your home. If this is what you are doing I commend you. It is very wasteful to "throw away" this heat in the winter when it could be used to supplement your regular heating system. to hear about your previous troubles. Glad you're ok. You really did say some funny shit Kid. That dehumidifier bit had, no, still has me cracking up. You're in the right place now. Read your ass off. The FAQs, others' threads, problems, successes, breeders. Everything. Put it all together and draw your own conclusions. Put a little less stock in Cervantes. Have you ever seen his setup or grows in detail? NO. But you can see them here. I'll give you one that inspired me. Search "heath's perpetual". If that guy's grow doesn't give you a hard on....well, I just don't think there's any hope for ya. Good Luck Retiree
How the fuck did I miss this? I can testify I've never seen a room that size, equipt with THAT many cfl's Personal favor: #1: Kindly stop refering to your weed as 'sweetie'. That's Gay! #2: Instead of quoting books, leave a link to that page and then ppl can either read it or blow past the bs!
can i say that your the biggest ass hole to ever grace gk to date???? qhartz halide your fucking retarded!!!! sorry all it had to be said... peace 106!!!!
No he's not. For what he's got, it's not bad, but for the space, effort and money spent, yes.. Not cool to go badmouthing the guy that harshly either. He's not the biggest asshole to grace GK by a long shot. Anyone remember Kermit? That guy was hilarious. HC... the Caucasian Asian.. yeah,. he was up there too.
No shit....that was pretty uncalled for nofx. He may be a little hard headed, but what did he do to qualify as the biggest asshole to ever grace GK??? I think he'd have to work a lot harder to earn that title. In your one post in this thread, you've been more of an asshole than he ever was. Being that shitty to a new member for no reason is "fucking retarded". Peace -tC
Not to a weed plant! A plant is totally oblivious to watts and lumens. They couldn’t give a shit about them. I could bath a plant in 10,000 watts of green light and it would think it was dark! It wouldn’t do shit. A plant can only use a specific range of light. The further out of this range the less light it can use. You are bathing your plants in the wrong spectrum. The only decent light in your room comes from the Metal Halide and maybe the CFL (if they are the correct spectrum). Your CFL are also WAY too far away from the plants. CFL have shit penetration and their light can only travel a short distance (say 7 or 8 inches) before it becomes so weak the plant can’t use it. Your buds are skinny and fluffy because your plant doesn’t have enough light. They are being starved of energy!
OK you want results? Here are some results! Your grow with the $200 a month electric bill A close friend of mine did this with 1 400w HPS so about $30 per month electric bill. Please also bear in mind that this was done in 1 cupboard measuring 2 foot by 2 foot, with 3 plants, in 3 month. He did not have to sacrifice 2 rooms just 1 cupboard. That’s just 2 of the plants trimmed up too. The dry weight was about 9 oz. I think them results prove you are growing very inefficiently
I like read my ass off Hi! Oh wow kewl bud pix. See? Yours ARE bigger and less fluffy... I'm thinking I really COULD use a few more lumens. I hadn't looked up the colors absorbancy of plants yet... Like you say you could bathe the silly things in green light and they couldn't see it. I think hahaha. Nah $209 was my TOTAL elec bill. Includes hot water, clothes dryer, refrigerator, dehumidifier, etc. The incandescents have an almost linear power output, at a 45 degree angle upwards from blue to red. lots of red. I was reading and comparing some watt/lumen outputs in Mechanical and Electrical Equip for Buildings... figures are approximate to allow some age. 1000W HPS - 126,000 lumens 400W halide - 30,000 lumens 4' flourescent tube - 2500 lumens 100W CFL (23W) - 1600 lumens 500W quartz - 11,000 lumens 150 W quartz - 2800 lumens Yah- so 4 cases of CFL's (48 bulbs, $84) should kick out almost 77000 lumens and use 1100 watts, as opposed to a 1000W HPS at 126,000 lumens. The quartz incandescents, well... DAMN hahahaha. About 1/5 as potent. Really, though... the weed, while a bit fluffy, is quite quite good I think. Oh ha sorry about calling the subject plant "Sweetie"... that's her name. I name them mostly, and then put .1 or .2 after their name. Nah that's not gay lol they're my girlfriends sorta. The Doobie Sisters hahahaha. Sweetie, Fatso, Madge, TPWNN (The Plant With No Name- she's died twice already), Tweedle (now a Siamese twin), Dot, Biker... the list is endless. I raised Georgia W.T. Bush in 2007 (she was in the ground in a shed with 10' peak and was bent over all kinds of at top.). The T stood for "The". I still don't know what the W stood for. Fertilized only with horse manure and a copy of the paperwork that says medical marijuana has no medical purpose. (Old burn pile too. Pot likes the edges of old burn piles i think). But hey, anyway- I got 8.35 oz of finished bud off Sweetie, and she's just startng to sprout veg growth again. She already bought herself a 45 gal tote and 4 cu ft of potting soil. She's looking for somewhere she can trade for a 1000W HPS... :thumbs-up:
and then there's the jet of flame thing lol oh and i got a product warning that says the chinese CFL's will burn up sometme and spout a jet of flame out the side. Prolly not the best thing to have. But still... If ya crunch the numbers, 400W of CFL's make almost 29,000 lumens, within pocket change of the old casaba melon 400W halide i have, at 30,000 (not). I've grown all KINDS of weed with that thing- it's years old. Has crud rolling around the bottom of the bulb and prolly still makes 100W or so. Oh I looked it up and voila- yup more agreement with the "plants (chlorophyll) don't absorb green light" findings. Says they like blue and red. The quartz lights have a lot of red, ya have to give them that. I've grown 6' plants solely with quartz lights, but then i cooked them by overheating the room while away too. I still have to say that the HPS is king tho.... TheKid
light color chartshere- here are some light color charts from the MEEB. Hmmm whattaya think... some nice red incandescents, 4' blacklight tubes and some flocked Hendrix posters? (ducks) Have fun, guys... i may yet trade for some new lights hahahahaha Or even another growing book besides Cervantes hahahahaha hate to be too mono-informed... Thanks again. TheKid /monthly_2011_02/daylight.jpg.dec1519713473658a92e3a112c18947f.jpg /monthly_2011_02/HPS.jpg.8eda70ecb1bc354a68d08a10ba66ec6e.jpg /monthly_2011_02/flourescent.jpg.ea11b146b74a496b74ff057239a46da8.jpg /monthly_2011_02/quartz.jpg.d0cb0af0bf68e4d92ed4e9ce21f7b0b7.jpg
