This is when Jesus comes in handy!!!

I never said they DID exist. But if some guys that saw them wrote a book 12years after the unicorn died,id be interested in reading that too:icon_biggrin: Yes the burdeon of proof is on Lion then for he made the claim that Jesus wasnt real,not in response to me insisting he was real but rather in response to me telling my kid Jesus will look after him if im not here. Look,iv only got 3 beers left and i want to play some COD tonight so go easy on me:tvlaugh:

 

So if good and evil dont exist then the free will with which people use to commit good deeds or evil deeds also doesnt exist then


If freewill is an illusion and evil doesnt exist then are we excusing people who commit evil deeds from their works based on the fact they cant make a conscious decision as theres no free will?If theres no evil (or free will)then intentional evil is totally impossible then? A guy rapes a baby,murders a woman,tortures a man but thats not an intentional evil deed?If its not an evil deed but simply a value we place on a behaviour then how would science explain the behaviour?Are we going to put it down to a brain malfunction?So no one can truly be evil or commit evil cos it doesnt exist?I dont accept this.


So based on this theory then love doesnt exist either?Its simply a word we have assigned meaning too but love isnt actually a 'thing' You know for me being a laymen id really love a bit more than to be told good and evil dont exist and are merely words we assign meaning to.Going with this thought process most things emotional cant exist then and are simply words we give meaning too? Forgive my naivety but id really like some clarification on that statement Canna.:2c:

 

assit:But how can we possibly sit here with straight faces and say that Hank? I havent met nor spoke freely with a non human to establish this. This is yet another theory that science infers because it doesnt challenge their other theories. Aswell as the fact they can use this to discredit other things.How can we possibly say something doesnt exist outside of the human mind when none of us have been able to talk to an animal and ask if they have eveil or good in the animal world. Or to talk to an alien and ask if they have good or evil where they come from.I find this astonishing that a lot of you guys who are so intelligent,way more than me,cant see things in the most simplistic way i do. Theres no way we can insist and prove that these things dont exist outside o the human mind:2c:

 

Shaking my head cos you actually just walked into the closet.The doors that way>>> Cheers for explaining that in more detail though

 

You dont need to get into free will Canna cos by your definition its just words and not a 'thing'. I love it when i get told these profound statements and when i ask for a little more detail so an uninitiated like me can understand i dont get it. You said something that you make sound simple but in fact is quite deep so i asked for a deeper expanation to make sense of it and you reply "lol what?" which more or less means you dont understand what you just said Canna..Cos if you did then you would know what i meant by the free will comment. If good or evil dont exist and are only words then so too is free will,love and any other feeling or thought that science cant show a blueprint for.Not digging at you or Hank but i hate these statements as if its So obvious and should be so easy to understand but when i ask fr understanding the room clears. :bong2:

 

That doesnt seem right. So Lions kill the babies and its not wrong or evil,its just the way they are?That either suggest they dont have consciousness like us,which kinda validates a whole other argument OR we are arrogantly assuming they have no concept of right or wrong?So essentially if we are animals like Lions then we can apply that same logic to every kiddie fiddler and beast in the world.Their not evil,its just the way they are?? Which basically goes back to my original reply to you when i said that if we take away the free will to commit evil then we are excusing people and saying what?Its a brain malfunction cos its just the way we are?Some people rape babies others dont,just accept it?


The word is the thought,ok i get what you mean there.But where does the thought come from if only some people act on evil thoughts and others dont?That suggest their IS good and evil ANDfreewill ,if we think it then it exists IMHO:2c:

 

Its being morally accountable.To me free will is the ability to act or not act upon thoughts because you have free will to determine if they are wrong or right,good or evil.But if good or evil dont exist then neither can free will:2c:

 

Ok fair enough and i agree that we are capable of thinking what is right or wrong,i believe this cos we have free will AND intelligence. My point is if good and evil are just word and not things then neither is intelligence a thing,its simply a word. People will say "no actually we can measure someones intelligence".But id say no you can measure someones IQ but thats not their intelligence. Id also suggest on that same basis we can measure someones evil or goodness. It dont make sense right? Now you know how your original statement made me feel.Brain freeze I cant accept there is no evil or good actions and thoughts.It cant be only words cos that means freewill and intelligence are only wors and if people dont have freewill and intelligence to weigh up their options and decide on something then we are all robots and some have malfunctions,right? If this isnt the case then im GENUINELY confused as to the WHOLE nature of this conversation and would greatly appreciate some definition and meaning here

Not every killer is mentally ill or "malfunctioned" though.Many people weigh up the risks of what they do with their inteligence and free will.The fact they still choose to commit evil acts is more to do with the fact they have little conscience,or the rewards of gratification outweigh the risks of capture:2c:

 

Yeah the thread did kinda stray away from the original intention of me highlighting how kids are smart.And deep. And twisted