US / World Economy in Trouble

This one too.....


http://www.drschoon.com/articles%5CDeathWatch.pdf

 

And another....Buckle up folks....the ride is about to begin.


http://johngaltfla.com/blog2/

 

Herb do you really believe what this guy is telling you wholeheartedly like ppl follow the irrational sense of Glenn Beck and his apocalypse theories. Can it get worse sure can it get better sure. Isn't the financial market Linear? I just don't get up in arms about blogs like this it's very intelligent and not too slanted but it doesn't give a solution. It just gawks at the shortcomings of an administration. I mean really come on herb i know you're smarter than that don't let your dislike for the prez blind your sense of direction. Besides we're all just dumb farmers at heart right? Isn't that why we're all here I would like for Marley-Turn your lights down to start playing in the background. As i fade away... It's cool Herb it's gonna be ok. Dj Slim Pickens

 

I can say I disagree with what you said Steel, but trying to turn a blind eye can be just a bad idea as believing too much of what others are saying. Whether or not you believe them, whether or not you like them, there are quite a few apocalypse theories out there that don't involve News Evangalists and crocodile tears.


The Mayan's calender, which is incidentally more accurate than our own, states that world would end on December 21,2012. A recently unearthed manuscript believed to be Nostradamus's seems to indicate something similiar. The end of the world scenario of the Christian Bible said that the end of days would come near the closing days of a vast explosion of information, the Internet anyone? Many of the Native American beliefs said that in a trouble future the Earth would open up and shallow up the foriegn invaders that had corrupted the land.


Whether you believe any of that or not just because what one person has to say doesn't fit with your way of seeing the world, shouldn't mean you should dismiss him either.


FYI, please don't take this an attack or anything, just your comment about apocalypse theories gave me an opening.

 

If we just stop talking about how bad it is, then people will start to spend $$ and the trickle down theory will begin. Thats all ya year is how bad it is. Shits on the news every 2 seconds. They are talking it up like the fucken swine flu! Its the hottest story! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW BAD IT IS RIGHT FUCKING NOW! I don't feel like spending now after knowing how bad it fucking is!


We just need to quit talking about it and start spending money again.:ranting:


Thankyou! I feel better! I am going to lay down and try to sleep and not think about how i am going to pay the fucking bills.


P.S I heard some where that things are rough. So don't spend no money tommorow.

 

I will say you are right and wrong about apocolypse theories. I will point them out by number highlighted in red.


First though, I will say Glenn Beck is a fuckin idiot. 'Nuff said.


1) There are more theories about the end of days than a one person can shake a stick at. Early Christians believed the end of days was going to take place at the millennium. That would be the first millennium, 1000 AD. World ket turning, and they tried again for 2000...Funny I'm still here.


2) No it is not. Our Calendar is within 15 seconds per day. (Hence the extra day every 4 years). Mayan calendar is close though, within 1 day per year. Julian calendar is 3rd, within 13 days per year.


3) Bogus. No manuscript from Nostradomus states this. Period. Show me the quatrain in any manuscript from M.De. N. that says it. Surely there must be a photograph of such revolutionary prognostications.


4) Really? Because I have read Revelations (and Genesis) quite a few times. Never did I read anything that says that. You should re-read the bible.


5) I agree. However, things have to be looked at objectively. Not from "the sky is falling" point of view. Ignorance breeds belief into anything that can possibley explain the unknown.


Point is, every civilization has had a view of the end of days. The Vikings, Minoans, Mongols, Visigoths, The Sumerians, The Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Carthaginians, Muslims, Normans, Saxons, Celts, Mayans, Incas, Aztecs etc. etc. etc. all had beliefs about the end of days. None have ever come true in a "biblical" sense.


Now, I should say for the record, I am a major history buff, studied physics and astrophysics, and am a full on autonomist, anarchist and aetheist.


As such, I think you all are fools if you think the people in power will allow their money, and control, and power over society to fade for more than a second. They can play with finances, financial institutions, manipulate politics and world affairs. They arent going to let their world go down without a fight.


No Way, No How. Not without revolution will they forfeit anything.


Financials may change, but the basis of our capitolistic society is going no where.


Just my :2c:

 

Well several of the programs I have watched, Useless, have claimed that the Mayan calender was more accurate. Not trying to debate you, since I am not really interested in researching the material to prove a yes or no.


As to your denial about Nostradamus's book, you are partially right and you are partially wrong. It was a recently unearthed manuscript one that uses pictographs and images and not quatrains, which is why I said 'believed to be written by'. The interpertations of it are rather subjective, as are the origins. As for the book Nostradamus is famous for, yes there are quatrains that could be interperted as meaning the end of the world. But these aren't worth arguing over either since these too are more subjective than specific.


As a matter of fact, I never read the bible, never felt the need to, and I was merely sharing the interpertations of a Bible theologist to support my point. But once again it's not worth arguing over as that book is also open to a great deal of interpertation and the bending of words to support whatever point one might try to make.


The point I was trying to make was that one could reasonably argue anything using more or less facts, and that in order to find truth no one should deny any source of information no matter how much they might disagree with the conclusions. Because no argument is without a nugget of truth, and that someone who is aware of this fact can find amazing pieces of truth in the most unlikely places. While I appreciate your commitment to truth, I don't feel you should claim someone's information is 'Bogus' especially when it is something so very much open to interperation as Nostradamus. As the meaning of any quatrain of his work is subject to personal views of the reader.


As for the rest of your statements, I agree Glenn Beck is.. a less than desirable source of information.


And I completely agree with your view about the Financial oligarchy, the blumberg group, or whatever you want to call them, and the fact there would be a fight to take back control of our lives.

 

The Mayans believed civilisation exists within a series of earth cycles of 144,000 days each with the 13th expiring in December 2012, Nothing to do with the end of the world just the end of the earths current cycle.


But hey the unknown is scary.............:icon_scratch:

 

I can't believe that useless you make me laugh that was a very well written punctuated response right up until you misspelled capitalism lol. Not that i care i was just like dddaammnnn good debate aawww littlest mistake no points lost tho bossman.


I am not talking about the end of the world cuz it ain't F'n ending no time soon. We as humans are such a speck in the cosmic dust do you really think we have the ability to control the universe? We like to think that we can manipulate time/space but i mean really? I wasn't really talking about the apocalyptic la la speculations of ppl that made thousands of predictions and his words are so old they hold different meaning these days. Nostradamus was a fucking HACK get over it. He made thousands of predictions literally and they are so vague it has no merit.


As for the mayan thing i mean they also used to have sacrifices to the "sun god" so i mean get off that shit too. They would kill a virgin girl if it didn't rain. So what they have a decent calendar so you think they can predict an event thousands of years away? It feels like a yoga class in here with people reaching so far just to make it work.


I was more talking about the blog entry that was posted above my post. The guy who wrote that was intelligent but slanted by his distrust of the government. If you say so i know so type thinking. The economy is not gonna crash why cuz ANARCHY would ensue. Imagine if it was on the news that there no one has any money any more? I would be out stealing food and gasoline cuz it's gonna be a wild ride. The economy goes up and down that's what i meant by linear it comes up and down but never ends. It can't end it's kinda impossible. If we have no money in a nation that is built on money?? This downturn is in direct response to us switching to free market capitalism economy. Big business has been turning record profits for the past 6 yrs. Exxon has been reporting quarterly numbers out of this world.


So you are sittin there like what do you mean we changed the economy and big business has been doing spectacular for the past 6 yrs. Why haven't i been making more money. LOL cuz that ain't what Free Trade Capitalism is about it's using money to make money so if you ain't got no money you don't get no money.


Shiva you are one of those... Stop watching those stupid shows on the history channel and thinking that it's the 100% truth. They want ratings they dont' care what the info is as long as someone watches it.


I don't turn a blind eye what so ever i keep a very close eye on our government. My dad has a generator, water purification system, Food, water, fuel and AMMO stockpiled in his panic room which is like a sub basement under the basement. trust me i know all about conspiracy theories... DSP

 

Damn good choice of words steel!

 

LMAO @ Steel. Fookin grammar nazi. j/k Now Im going to start mispelling words at random to see how many you catch. HAHA. I missed the "P" in "kept" also. Maybe you're not a big of a grammar fascist as I originally thought? (Again, j/k dude).


I normally dont enter into politics threads. I was slighlty drunk and very stoned. And I usually allow my opinions to flow unfiltered in that state. Plus I almost never end up proof reading before submitting.


MK is right about the Mayan calendar ending it's current 13th and final cycle of the calendar. It doesn't mean the end of the world. Just that the cycle has completed and will start over.


Shiva, I hear you. But I whole heartedly disagree that "every arguement has a nugget of truth".


The Nazi's argued for the supremecy of the Aryan's. Where is the truth in that?


One can argue that the sky is in fact pink. That doesnt make it true.


The Catholic church argued the Earth is the center of the universe. Even killed people who disagreed. But that didn't make it true.


Scholars once argued the Earth was flat. Again, no basis of truth anywhere in that.


I could go on and on about false truth in arguements. But I think you get the point.


I will say that to a particular person, their beliefs can become a reality, or truth to that person. But that doesnt make it "true". It doesnt carry over into the real world and our observations of it. In other words, because of belief and commitment to it, one persons truth might not have any truth to it at all in the real world.

 

use....... i`ll take honesty over truth any day!!:thumbsup:

 

Steel, what kind of 'one of those' am I? As for watching the history channel, it's better than watching the network news because there's far more chance of the truth on the history channel than any news program out there.


MK Guy/Useless: Yes I know the Mayan calender continues even after 12/21/12. But that's the new popular date for the Apocalypse, so I used it to try a point.


Useless, again you seem to mistake me. So fine after this I will bow out of this thread and leave it at that.


The nugget of truth you seem to overlook.


The Nazi's: That people hate that which is different so don't trust someone just because they say things that agree with your beliefs.


Pink Sky: Had you actually argued the point, you would have needed to drop some science to do, I might have learned some formula or way of looking at things.


The Earth is the center of Universe/ Flat Earth: That human pride has been left unchanged for all these years. And that ignorance is promoted by those who claim to be upholding enlightment.


And before some asks Glenn Beck: That if the financial overlords, if they exist, are feeding the populace half truths in order to muddy the waters. Or perhaps for those with 'revolutionist' tendencies to the surface making them vunerable.


And are truly trying to string me up as what, a 'witch', for trying to point out that if a person really wants to find the truth they need to know what everyone is saying? In this day in age when we are nearly overwhelmed by a main stream media providing an endless stream of information. All of which has an agenda attached to it, you're really going to try to take a wet chunk out of my ass for trying to point out that half truths are the most dangerous kind. That someone who takes anyone's information as complete truth or complete fiction is in danger of becoming one of the sheeple?


So fine, pick at me like scavengers, dismiss my point because you disagree with my 'facts' while failing to miss the point I was trying to make. You make it completely obvious that a 'discussion' is the last thing on anyone's aggenda, you'd much rather spend hours ranting at each other and otherwise acting like a pack of rabid dogs, barking and biting over a few scraps.

 

Were you the guy that just said this? And already u change your tune?


You seem to like using half truths yourself and then double back when corrected. And then result to petty insults because we didnt accept your "facts" Thats real mature :qshatter: :wtf?:

 

Thats not what you said originally as MK pointed out.


You dont have to bow out. Simply learn to debate your arguement more concisely and without flip flopping or following a slippery slope logic. Which is what you have done.


You stated every arguement holds a nugget of truth. I dont recall ever hearing the nazis argueing the point "that people hate that which is different."


That was not their arguemnt at all. There arguement was that the white race is superior. Where in their arguement is there any truth? There isnt. Sure, you can say that intrinsictly it holds a hidden meaning based on human nature and insecurity. But the Nazis werent argueing a hidden meaning.


You didnt qualify an arguement as being based on fact or science. The sky is Pink. Thats what I believe so its true to me. (Not really just making my point). Maybe I am colorblind and that is my truth. But that doesnt mean it is true.


Flat Earth - again, considered to be true and fact for a thousand years. Didnt make it true.


Now I agree,at times some philosophical insights can be gained from the use of "new" information, andthe attempted understanding of the mentality and philosophy of a person or people. However, that doesnt mean the arguement ITSELF has any validity. That was my point, and you misunderstood me.


I have no idea what your point was about Glenn Beck? Perhaps you could elaborate.


I did not, nor did see anyone else attack you. I simply countered your false logic in your post. Now in this post, I gather what you were trying to say is one must look at something from all sides to find "truth". I agree with that. One can not simply be one sided and narrow minded. All avenues of thought and all possiblities need to be looked at and scrutinized in order to see the "big picture". However, once again, that was NOT what you originally stated.


Again,noone attacked you. Your arguement, the way it was stated, was flawed. I pointed that out, and provided examples as to why. You then changed your position.


I merely wanted to enjoy an intelligent discussion/debate. You obviously are the one who can not handle a civil discussion. At least it seems so by your hissy fit of a post. When a different point of view was brought forth, and some of your "facts" debunked, you got angry and attacked the oposition on a personal level. That is called an Ad Hominum attack, and is used by debaters when they can not answer or have no logical response to the arguement presented to them.


:new_blowingup:


You should really develop some "thicker skin" if you are going to play in the politics forum.


NEXT! :laughing1:

 

No proofreading! We're going nazi rule all mistakes have to be fixed before the sentence is completed. Please bring 2 #2 pencils and 1 legal pad to your testing facility...LOL DSP

 

Steel...all I can say is that I follow my gut and so far it's been dead nuts on the money. I'm simply putting info out there for people to read...what you chose to believe is up to you....what I chose to believe is up to me. I couldn't care less what other people do to prepare in their lives...I do what I feel is best to prepare my own family.


BTW....facts are facts and that's what these people are presenting. Sure..things can go either way, but so far it's been going down hill. If you see ANY reason for me to believe otherwise...please feel free to post that info in this thread. Otherwise I'll take it that your position is based on nothing but pure hope that things aren't as bad as they are. Personally I don't think you will find info that shows we're headed for a recovery.....these 'green shoots' we hear about are simply bullshit to keep the masses from panic.


Use....I used to think that the powers that be could keep things going forever, but now I see they've lost control. If you believe they will keep capitalism going then I'd love to see the info you base this on. I will say that history really is irrelevant in this case because we have never encountered anything in the past like we are encountering now. Our current economic system is based on fossil fuels and we have reached the maximum in that department. Have a look at this article...it may help clear things up for you.


http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/06/definancialisation-deglobalisation.html

 

Here's a tasty little tid-bit on our treasuries. Recovery? LOL...yeah...go on thinking that if you must, but the numbers tell a different story.


http://johngaltfla.com/blog2/2009/06/18/obamarket-update-100-the-4-horsemen-of-the-bond-market-apocalypse/


If that doesn't convince you then here's another....


Global systemic crisis in summer 2009: The cumulative impact of three « rogue waves »

 

I could go on all day.....


http://stevequayle.com/News.alert/09_Global/090619.WA.shots.html?i=1245298164&c=FEA&s=


Another source of the same article.


http://www.counterpunch.org/hudson06152009.html


If we are going to make a recovery then why are these other countries making plans while keeping us out of them? Think about it. We're over our heads in debt and they no longer wish to play our game. That means the jig is up....we're (the USA) fucked.