Want some suggestions for some covert ops with my dad

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  1. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    This, sorry T I didn't read all the posts before I posted...THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE AND THE SAME IN MY LIFE..for what it's worth.


    My mother isn't that old, but exact same way, I don't smoke with my mom....but believe if she wants herb, she gets mine indirectly at no cost, no questions, no anything...it's my mom and I want her to smoke the best around


    I know it helps, not just with physical pain, but other things as well
     
    nippie, Sep 9, 2013
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  2. Cannagirl

    Cannagirl Preheat to 420

    This^


    And this should not be on here not because you will get negative opinions, but because talking about the best way to drug people against their will is probably along the lines with asking for someone to send you seeds publicly. Seems like something that could harm GK, along with your relationship with your dad.
     
    Cannagirl, Sep 9, 2013
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  3. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    It's the exact same thing in my opinion. I aint saying it's right or wrong...just that it's the same, legally and morally.


    Your parents well being is morally in your hands. I didn't have the best of childhoods but i was always well taken care of by my mom. I would and will do the same for her.


    Dosing a 75 year old man for pain relief is not the same as giving a y/o college girl a roofie...not even close. It's like giving your 5 y/o medicine, which like I said I would have a very hard time with on that thread. I can go back and quote myself if you want, but someone would have to be bad off to consider that. Real bad off, but I would consider it.


    Thats why I said it's up to her and not any of oyu giving opinions...you don't know the exact circumstances, and even if you did you might not agree as I might not agree with you about giving a 5 y/o medicine.
     
    nippie, Sep 9, 2013
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  4. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    It is NOT the same. Again:


    Your child is NOT an adult. They DO NOT make their own medical decisions, you do.


    Your parent, who is in their right mind, IS an Adult. They make their OWN medical decisions.


    Two completely different things. If your child dies because you deny them medicine, you are legally in trouble and will go to jail (even when it comes to religious reasons for withholding most of the time). If your parent dies because they refuse their medicine and you didn't force it on them, nothing happens to you legally.


    You do not have a legal or moral obligation to force your parents to do a drug that will help them, more so when they specifically refused it. You do have a moral and legal obligation when it comes to your children.


    Don't confuse feelings with morals, or making yourself suffer less by drugging your parent with the obligation you have for your children's well being.
     
    LionLoves420, Sep 9, 2013
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  5. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    Uh...no it's not. I agree could harm relationship with dad, but having a moral debate is not illegal.


    I not Obama has fucked this country over pretty hard, but we are still free to talk about life.


    OMFlyingSPagMonster, if we talk about outlawing abortion or euthanasia or we all going to jail??
     
    nippie, Sep 9, 2013
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  6. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    Drugging someone without their knowledge IS illegal. Whether or not we should be talking about it is up to TA and you mods.
     
    LionLoves420, Sep 9, 2013
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  7. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    What?


    mor·al


    ˈmôrəl,ˈmär-/Submit


    adjective


    1.


    concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.
     
    nippie, Sep 9, 2013
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  8. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    I am not sure why you are defining that since I didn't mention right or wrong, good or bad, in that quote.


    If you drug your parent, who said they did not want that drug, and they are able to make that decision, then you are only doing that to make yourself feel better, not your parent. If you respected and loved your parent, you would abide by their wishes, not how you think or feel the situation should be.
     
    LionLoves420, Sep 9, 2013
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  9. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    I'm trying to find what someone thinks is illegal in this thread?


    Please someone point it out, as I don't think I've seen anyone say drug someone, merely the benefits of marijuana. And the pros and cons of introducing things.


    You are fighting with me as I have stated, don't ask that here and it's on her as to here decision. Just because I state facts from both sides in the debate makes me nothing but objective
     
    nippie, Sep 9, 2013
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  10. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    moral = is what you feel


    I thought you were an atheist. Is there some other rationale as to what you base your moral compass on? As an atheist, you have nothing to base "morals" on except what you feel is right, and what you feel is wrong. There is no difference between morally objecting to something, or feeling like something is wrong.....it's the same thing
     
    nippie, Sep 9, 2013
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  11. Cannagirl

    Cannagirl Preheat to 420

    She wants to sneak pot into her dad's food without his knowledge. That is very illegal.


    I know growing pot is too but the difference is this is our own activity, not going to really affect someone else.


    Put it this way. What is the best way for me to sneak my mom vicodin?


    Same thing.


    " I just talked to her about my dad, and how he's doing (terrible) and she wants to try to sneak something in on him (MJ)"
     
    Cannagirl, Sep 9, 2013
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  12. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    Morals do not have to be connected to religion. It is called philosophy and ethics is a major branch. I am also not an atheist, I just don't believe in god.
     
    LionLoves420, Sep 9, 2013
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  13. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    Again...what?


    a·the·ist


    ˈāTHēˌist/Submit


    noun


    1.


    a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods
     
    nippie, Sep 9, 2013
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  14. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    I am Buddhist. I do not believe in a god. I am not atheist.
     
    LionLoves420, Sep 9, 2013
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  15. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    But this isn't about my personal morality, so lets put it another way: It is ILLEGAL and really NOT cool to drug an adult without their knowledge.
     
    LionLoves420, Sep 9, 2013
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  16. Cannagirl

    Cannagirl Preheat to 420

    It is interesting that the whole discussion about children vs. 75 years olds and their competence is even occurring. Sounds like he is completely competent. If he loses that in some way her mother is responsible, not her (unless she becomes his guardian for whatever reason), and that is after a court hearing and the doctor's legal declaration of incompetence has happened. The next of kin could then make medical decisions but there is nothing in this thread about dementia or lack of understanding of his disease process. He is just hurting horribly, but sounds like he is still in his right mind. It might harm him just due to his physical age as well as his susceptibility as someone who has not used it before.
     
    Cannagirl, Sep 9, 2013
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  17. JuggaloKing420

    JuggaloKing420 Just clownin around

    Lion, so is it ok to force a 15 year old kid to take anti depressants against their will just cause you are the parent? I'm not following the whole child vs adult thing.


    Me personally, I wouldn't slip it to him either, but I would make it very plain that it was available to him when ever he wants.
     
    JuggaloKing420, Sep 9, 2013
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  18. LionLoves420

    LionLoves420 Lazy Days In The Sun

    It is the parents decision and responsibility to choose what is best for their child. If that is giving them an anti depressant whether the child wants it or not, that is perfectly justifiable because a 15 year old IS NOT AN ADULT. IF they decide to withhold a medication, that is perfectly justifiable because a 15 year old IS NOT AN ADULT. Parents are the caregivers and keepers of their children.


    To give an adult a drug, against their will, when they specifically DO NOT WANT IT, is WRONG. It is NOT the same thing as giving or withholding from a child. You are NOT the caregiver or keeper of your parents (Unless you are, and they can't make medical decisions, which it then becomes the same situation as your child, but hat is not the case here).


    You legally can not give a non consenting adult drugs without them knowing, and it is immoral to do so.
     
    LionLoves420, Sep 9, 2013
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  19. JuggaloKing420

    JuggaloKing420 Just clownin around

    But morally, it's wrong to force feed anybody, child or adult, something they don't want in their body. At 15 in my state, you can start learning to drive a car with a permit. So they're old enough to drive, but it's still ok to force medication into their body? IMO age doesn't matter once the child starts making decisions on their own, I understand toddlers and such, but where do you draw the line?. By your standards, I can be old enough to enlist in the military but I would still have to take whatever my parents were forcing me to take.


    I'm not seeing why the legal aspect keeps coming up, as it's pretty obvious that the law isn't being taken into consideration here.


    And you don't have to be someone's caregiver to do what it takes to improve quality of life.
     
    JuggaloKing420, Sep 9, 2013
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  20. nippie

    nippie preachin' and pimpin'

    it seems you are fixated on one line.


    if you continuing read what GTWT says

    So why are you are continuing to push the issue? Is it just to argue?
     
    nippie, Sep 9, 2013
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