Welfare Drug Testing Ruled Unconstutional!

In what world cant an employer test. I can test an employee at will, every single day if I so choose. I can fire someone for wearing the wrong color shirt. I can fire someone without even giving a reason without legal issues.


Legally nothing can be done about it, hell I can sue someone for talking to an attorney about why I fired them. So please explain in what universe employers don't have the right to test?? We pay the employee, it's a condition of employment to were the employer can change the rules at will....whenever he so chooses.


The only way you don't have this is certain states you must provide justification or union contracts. Even states were I have to state a cause you can state insubordination and no one can say anything because it turns into a he said/she said situation to were the employer will win 9 out 10 times just because if an employer takes the time to fight, then it shows what he was like on the job.


Even in union contract employers/management can make someone piss at random because of insurance reasons.


Really you are incorrect on this, absolutely not the case.


Lion, numbers are numbers. Why else would they have stopped the process? Makes sense unless they found employment which given they used questionaire (who couldn't pass one of those??) I doubt that's the case.


I wasn't found of Florida's law, but Utah's seems legit. I can live with that for sure and it seems like that's legal. But commonsense would tell you that in this economy it's just wrong to pay a junkie's bills.


I highly doubt these cases are concerned about marijuana, it sucks because it's in your system the longest but this is really targeting cocaine and heroin (oxy) abuse. Anything that helps with the drug problem in this country is a good thing. I don't think marijuana is a true medicine, but it's not a drug like heroin that's for sure.


Hank, you may have been away to long, some of these programs are designed to help not hurt, unless you take the ultra radical position on things. This is a common sense approach to helping people out in a bad situation. Read our papers sometimes, each section of the country has it's own epidemic right now....heroin, meth, oxy, coke...etc


But don't be fooled, if I seen someone acting stupid on equipment and gave me a reason, without a doubt I send them straight to the ER to be tested. Blood and piss.....cause I'm not going to call Jim's wife and say Bill was on high on his meds and killed Jim. Employers can test whenever they want, refusal is instant dismissal. We have to ensure that people have a safe workplace....this is coming from someone that has taken the guys out for beers during lunch (but only on fridays and if they were leaving from diner to go home).


BTW, good post An...:thumbsup: I didn't know anything about Utah's program

 

That's absurd liberal bullshit....did it come with reelect Obama sticker? That is a left wing spin on why to fight the program. Seriously I thought you would come back with a factual piece but that's propaganda at it's best, just left wing


That's not what this is about, legally yes, morally no....and as I said, legally I agree it's wrong unless you test everyone like you stated.


Morally there is nothing wrong stating we are not going to buy your heroin. Here's rehab then we put you in the program. Welfare is to help people not give them a career check. Drugs are extremely bad, almost all our shootings are drug related, inner city, poverty driving.

 

Really? What's it say? That I know employment law?


Frankly I deal with people whom I'd fire in an instant if I was asshole. I've spoke to some here about just to vent, but I can't fire them because they have kids and I would feel bad even though they deserved to be fired. But if you think I'm going to let something that's absolutely incorrect go unchallenged, then you are wrong.


But please tell me how that makes me an ass. Just because someone can do something doesn't mean they will or have to.


edit....and to add to that, my corporation makes everyone sign non compete clause and confidentiality. Iron tight contracts.....as a condition of employment. Hell If I was to say exactly what went on I can be sued....it's biz, it's not childsplay. We get paid well, you are expected to do what's right as we have always treated people fairly and frankly even my HQ has been good to me when they didn't have to be

 

I know Annu....I was reading that and it's like "How the fuck do you fail that test?!?!?!"


This is no shit, if I knew where it was I would put a copy here just for everyone's amusement, they used to have an application at work about 5-10 years ago that blew me away. Under the section where it inquires about drug use, they put no shit this is true....."only on special occasions like birthdays, weddings, new years"


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He didn't get the job, but the application made the rounds. Seriously it was from late 90's or so and they when I finally started working in the office they showed it to me like as it was a treasure. Really it was the funniest thing I've seen cause you have to ask yourself...who the fuck would honestly say that?!?!?!


But that's like the death penalty argument....they test people now to make sure they are not mentally slow before they execute them. Who would pass that test?? :roffl: Judge walks in and says here take this test, if you pass we kill you, you fail you get to live....


Some people can't and shouldn't be helped, if anything they shouldn't be allowed to bred

 

I agree with you hank. I really do.


I don't test unless there's reason, but I reserve the right to test as I see fit, same as firing as I see fit. Just because someone gets high on the weekend it's not my biz. Even if they take the occassional pill not scribbed by doctor it's not my biz UNLESS it effects work...then it's my biz and I will test and fire over that.


Corporate welfare costs billions also, but one evil does not excuse the other. Unfort those welfare queens run this country and pay the bills. The day the shoe is on the other foot things will change. But saying they do it so should we doesn't excuse it.


Life is about incentives....everything in life is based off incentives. I know you are well read and understand that, we just disagree politically and I think your mind would be changed as well if you were stateside. I actually voted for Obama twice, the second one I kick myself about, but Romney was a douche bag. I still haven't figured out if he would have been better or worse because my biggest prob with Obama is the spying on us citizens....he's a flat out liar

 

Not even close...not even close.


Obama even said it wrong and that he would put an end to warantless wiretaps, I guess he did, he just took everyones data when the previous just did a select few terrorist...that way the terrorists are being profiled

 

Guess who this is, that's right, that's before he had the power in his hands and is using it to control the masses:not-worthy::not-worthy: The man is a liar, no ifs and or buts about it....flat out liar. He did this, for anyone to say he didn't has their head in the sand. I'm not sure but I think Bush left office about 5 years ago. When did Snowden leak the info and when were those programs started??!?!?!?!?!


That's right, it's to stop terrorists attacks....thats why he's spying on everyone and logging even grandma's calls (the actual calls) but the sons of bitches couldn't stop Ft. Hood or the Boston Bombing?!! Wow, maybe if us Americans just lived in cages and were naked and let the government control our every move including what we eat (yeap you guessed it, he's well his wife is in on that also) we would all be safe and the big bad terrorists won't get us.


Should I go into the "if you like your insurance, you can keep it" ??? I was personally saving that one for next year when about half this board loses it's employer provided coverage. Funny how the next roll out phase and numbers isnt until just after the mid term isn't it?? Funny who delayed that one also so the Dems don't lose as many seats because Obamacare is an absolute failure and those who signed up this year will see HUGE increases in Nov-Dec for 2015 and the rest of us that have good insurance through our jobs will lose it but not til after the election......remind me who again delayed that (illegally I might add, president doesn't have power to change law...)?


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BTW....did you see his speach today??? Unemployment payments create jobs?? On what planet? The best part about it, even if you follow his asinine logic, its called, wait for it.....wait for it.....TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS!! Damn that's right, remember what Bush was vilified for??? If this person has more money to spend, then in turn that creates jobs. Shit came right out of his mouth today.


Oh and the tax cut for companies to hire low income and unemployed.....that's his new plan. But wait...does that mean when companies get tax cuts they hire.....tell me again who did that and was vilified....that's right Bush.


So let's recount this, Bush was evil because he went to war that Obama expanded. Bush was a dick for spying on suspected terrorist, Obama fixed that by seizing ALL data inside the US from ALL CITIZENS. Bush was wrong to use trickle down economics, guess who's plan that is and was announced today?? And big corps getting tax breaks is wrong and they just pocket the money for bonuses, but now that Obama is in office this creates jobs


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Obama will go down as the worst president in US history. I voted for him twice, I'm ashamed


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CC, watch the ad hominem but freely speak your mind. I agree with you 100%. You know what it's like to be around heavy equipment and machines. Someone can die very easily. I take that seriously as I'm sure you do to. I don't want to be a fucking crimpled son of a bitch shitting on myself because my insides were crushed by some dumbass cause he was high

 

I'm moving this to the politic forum...

 

One long post i hope you guys do read...

Jesus nippie..... You sure do have some fucked up right wing views for a guy who voted Obama twice:tvlaugh:


Dont get me wrong,i DO get what your saying and i do see why you have reached that kinda conclusion...but still. Listen its bad enough our Govt can drug test us,its bad enough they spy on us and its bad enough they can fuck with what WE choose to do in our free time in the privacy of our own homes. But jesus man,dont give them any more fucking ideas!


The day ANY government decides who can or cannot have kids based on a self belief of a superior moral compass..... thats the beginning of the end right there buddy! Seriously man, listen. You live a good life man,you got the whole childhood sweetheart and 2.4 children gig going on,be happy dude! Why you wanna judge on others man? Thats some westboro baptists shit nip:icon_biggrin:


Listen i know some real fuckin idiots,scumbags even. They dont raise their kids right,i feel sorry for the kids. But should they be denied the right to have kids just cos i view them as scumbags?No way man,cos no matter what i think of the parents,that kids gonna grow up ,do shit and have a potentially great impact on the world. In fact sometimes the kids brought up by scumbags in hellholes go on to become VERY productive members of society,others dont. Point is,we cant say shit like that and mean it man,can we? Hey i agree with chemical castration for sex case paedophiles,it works in Estonia and other places.


But the day my Govt says "hey who wants to take a vote on whether scumbags can have kids?". Thats the day im phoning you my man to arrange a shipment of arms pronto!:gat:


Seriously man,theres literally one or two things that are SIGNS that its time to take your country back... thats one of them in my book. Fuck the government and fuck the way they make us all fuck each other up the ass! :jerk:


Solidarity is whats needed,not some commie bullshit,just good old brotherhood among the people man cos let me assure you,see once the govt start fucking with the scumbags kids,who you think is next on the list?Working class,middle class...BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR :bongin:


:2c: As far as urine tests go.... i aint doing no urine test period! I work twice a week in a drug testing centre and they would never dare fucking test the workers cos its basically acting like they got the right just cos they pay your wages?They do?Nope. YOU do work for them,you provide them a service for which they provide a wage,all this employers have the right do to this and that bullshit kills me.:BangHead: Its like in peoples rush to condemn others they are UNWITTINGLY CONDEMNING THEMSELVES AND THEIR OWN KIND.:BangHead:


YES in cases like you and CC are talking about where danger is involved or in cases i referred to where honesty is involved that can affect peoples lives.... but for the guy like me who tests people for drugs,why should i get tested?Im not asking for a methadone script. Im there to help the guys who do want a script. The fact i smoke weed in the privacy of my own home is none of the govt nor my employers business.


This is dangerous territory and i FULLY AGREE WITH HANK when he says THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT.... DOGS EATING DOGS! Dont fall for this shit.:eusa_naughty:


Over here in the UK im literally watching the middle classes sucking the upper classes dicks while the working classes fuck the under classes up the ass by supporting TERRIBLE WELFARE REFORMS where the govt are actually taxing people who have SPARE BEDROOMS!! (among other shit)


Yeah sucking the welfare titty needs addressed ,but sensibly. Why do we go so crazy over money on welfare but we dont give a fuck that our Govts use tax dollars to waste 100X more money on warfare and killing people.


Wheres the mock outrage when its NEEDED?All that money and we cant help Syria? "Yeah but we pay tax for welfare?"... What and you dont FUND the military,you dont fund the NSA who spy on you?You pay for that shit so whats the difference? Because you can SEE a few junkie scumbag families sucking that welfare titty? What if i showed you some drone footage of what your tax dollar does to INNOCENT foreign people? Its the same isnt it


All i see is right wing media putting out tv reality shows where they follow some junkies around as if thats a typical welfare recipient. LET ME BE CLEAR ON THIS... JUNKIES AND CRIMINALS ARE NOT THE MAJORITY OF WELFARE RECIPIENTS. ITS A MYTH. GREATEST LIE YOUR GOVT WILL SELL YOU AND IT TOTALLY DISMAYS ME TO SEE NORMALLY INTELLIGENT AND COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE JUST TURNING ON THEIR NEIGHBOURS COS OF RIGHT WING MEDIA AND RIGHT WING GOVT AGENDAS.





I'll tell you guys now,the similarities going on today are eerily similar to the emerging philosophies of nazi Germany. Always look to the past cos it literally will predict the future. Its sad that in this economic climate,CREATED BY THE FUCKIN WANKERS OF BANKERS AND GOVT ,that all of a sudden everyones so pre occupied with what their neighbour has or hasnt that they are TOTALLY missing the sinister udnertones going on here.


My govt says we are about to turn a corner. That depends what angle you approach cos from where im looking where gonna go over an edge. Sad thing is ,once their done with the underclasses then their gonna come for YOU! Working class,middle class,you name it. Open your eyes people:sad4: