Growing myths debunked (open discussion)

My source of scientific PROOF. Spare me the highhanded snooty crap , hows about thirty years of growing outdoors in places where there's one HELL of a lot of wildlife , a dozen years living REAL bush and running trapline etc..


YEAH animals are just *automatically* afraid of human smell , uh huh that's why the bears and moose , along with the Sitka deer would stroll right on into the yard.


And currently here within the emerald triangle , yup that's the solution to keeping the hogs off the patch and the coyotes off my chickens . yup just whip it out and whiz everywhere.


Tell ya what , come along out here and show us all what we're doing wrong , I mean golly we must be holding it with the wrong hand or something , or maybe reality is just different because it doesn't work beyond a few individual specimens within species.


By the way Mr. Outdoor Expert , when you set up at a new location in the Bush one of the FIRST things the Bears and certain other wildlife will investigate is the outhouse.


Furthermore if you're out running your traplines and you stop to take a leak in the snow , then when you come back through in a day or two you'll notice all sorts of sign around the spot where the wildlife came to sniff around and learn as much about you as possible.


And for what it's worth , you think I'm being harsh towards you , however 99 out of a 100 individuals who spout the " show me peer reviewed scientific evidence" line as regards the native flora and fauna in various and sundry locales and attempt tp make broad issues fit under a simple blanket solution..........( such as yourself) have *NO* significant bush experience or direct experience *IN* environment with what they're expounding on. The sort of person who actually *believes* Bear Grylls or Survivorman.


Now bear with me ( pun intended) because I'm actually NOT being as harsh as it appears. Step back and look at the realities of some of your beliefs about wild animals and truly wild country prior to ever visiting it please , don't listen to televsion shows and iconoclast intellectuals who never went from the classroom and lab environment to the REAL laboratory where things are NOT under human control.


Such folks generate those 3 a.m. phone calls that S and R volunteers dread , I mean I really HATE getting out of a warm bed at 3 a.m.


In closing , the *only* thing that will reliably keep *everything* off your outdoor plants is not putting them out.


You can even fence 'em and lose them , feral/wild hogs will go under or through your fence if they choose to , so will a bear , raccoons will get in somehow if they choose to , rats and members of the weasel family such as Pine Martens can get through incredibly small mesh.


Now here's what I've had *some* success with , may not be some folks cup of tea , as an aside forget most of the commercially available animal repellents , they carry an odor that screams HUMAN to any other human who may wander into the area.


Dog doo in a circle round the patch if you can , won't do a lot but will deter some individual animals , 1st line defensively , the if the parch is small enough perimeter fence it with whatever you can get in that will be unobtrusive , then do a small " cage " around each plant.


And ( don't laugh) you set a few of the small oldfashioned mousetraps inside those cages with *each* plant.


In short make it a hassle to get to the plant , and even then there are *no* gaurantees , if you live in an area with hogs , bear or larger deer or Elk , Moose ,Caribou etc or in certain places the wild horses then sonner or later you're going to lose some stuff to the wildlife , this is a fact of life that one cannot get around.

 

I think I've already said this in this thread, but: We were always told in Boy Scouts NOT to pee on trees because it attracted deer who would mess up the bark. Have no proof of that, but I do know that the smell of a human isn't going to deter shit.

 

In addition there are incidents where certain predators , especially bears will come TO a human , on Kodiak Island , around Illiamna , the entire Katmai for that matter when they hear a gunshot , YES you heard me right , it's like to sound of a dinner bell since a gunshot usually means a human shot a deer or something else , this is why folks don't hunt by themselves.


And while smaller in the Interior they're no less aggressive or fearless . sucu as the one I had to shoot in '90 because she decide that stalking me and robbing the bait from traps wasn't fast enough , she wanted the bait bag , she certainly didn't seem to be detered by anything but stuff that penetrated real well.


Or hey , you're living in there north of Lake Louise 'baout as far up as a stright westerly line from Lake Paxson , you've got a nice garden going and you look out one day to find a Moose having a buffet , screaming doesn't work , firing the pump and spraying her with water seems pleasurable to her , bouncing a rock off her just gets a warning look , she finally ambles off with her calf at discharge of a 20 gauge into the air.


So much for that fear of humans in an environment where the animals are relatively unhabituated to human presence.

 

Sure thing , I think I've made my point. Folks need to exercise some common sense as regards the wilderness and how to operate in it.


There are some fairly effective repellents etc , but as I stated we walk the fine line between camo/concealment and being able to repell pests.If you're certain that no other or untrusted humans will be around the naptha based snake repellents are fairly effective and last a relatively long time , barrier methods along with nuisance/annoyance methods are of some benefit , though your mileage may vary.........

 

Ok I'll apologize for the pissing around plants things. I somehow got talked into smoking this morning, and figured I could play devil's advocate and ruffle a few feathers. Didn't mean to offend anyone though


As for the proof about the keeping the male thing... I've heard several people report similar results, and I've heard as many claim they saw no difference. It seems to be the typical case in many such situations such that the true variable was kinda hiding behind the scenes. So for example, keeping males close, if you're growing at altitudes of 3k-5k (or w/e the emerald triangle is at) tends to suppress additional males, but has no bearing at other altitudes.


I don't doubt your word that you've had several years of experience and success in keeping males close. On the other hand there are reasons that scientists conduct thousands, or tens, or even hundreds of thousands of trials before drawing conclusions.

 

Just my opinion, but I think you'll do better here if you are a little less of a .

 

In excess. Your posts are generally informative enough but are oozing with a vibe of know-it-all preachiness and arrogance which makes them undesireable to read.

 

Agree. :thumbsup:

 

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Webby started this shit he dug up and bumped the thread. LOL People are crazy bout this shit. If you can't grow outside cause of the animals where you live are relentless, then grow indoors. WHOA what a concept. Don't even say the word can't in your head. You 100% can you don't WANT to. I have grown in a closet in a 2nd floor apartment with 1 400w and a single fan with can filter and 6 1 gal pots shoehorned in.It was right beside my bed loud and proud. I only got like an ounce or 2 off each one but it was better than nothing. This is totally my walking up hill both ways to school story.


As far as plants being able to communicate some research has proven it's technically possible with pheromones. You want irrefutable evidence? Well right here buddy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Happening_%282008_film%29... And after you have your mind blown by Mark Wahlbergs always Emmy winning performance you will KNOW we are all fucked and the plants actually hold the cards... Where's my button to cue the creepy boris karloff music?


As always plenty to say but not much help...Steelcity

 

up hill both ways and neck-deep in snow with no winter clothes while the wolves nip at your heels?


I'm growing in my closet right now with ONE 150wHPS lamp, one desk fan, a cup of water every evening.


It's slow. It's inefficient, ineffective, and it makes me feel mentally challenged:icon_confused:. BUT, it works.


I also piss around my outdoor plants. I've had animals dig them up(repeatedly this year), but I never pissed ON them.


A woman's piss during menstruation works best.. stinks like hell's sewer so nothing wants to be within a mile of it.:eusa_eh: what's the funky smell?


Bullets also work.:thumbsup:

 

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